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More accurate, Sony or VGC?

Sony 108 83.08%
 
VGC 22 16.92%
 
Total:130
Aielyn said:
GotBoth said:

People acusing Sony of lying after Ioi post. LMAO do people here really think VGChartz tracks better than sony? yes or no

Nobody thinks that Sony's tracking is less accurate. But there's a difference between thinking the company's internal tracking is less accurate and thinking that Sony's PR isn't accurate.

ioi's post is quite reasonable - he says, very specifically, that it's unclear where the discrepancy is coming from. But when VGChartz's tracking agrees within a good degree of accuracy with the local tracking by various other companies (like NPD), and Sony's claim thus relies on either...

1. All of the tracking companies being inaccurate,
2. Sony seeing remarkable levels of success in areas not typically known for being big on console gaming (like Hong Kong or Africa) to the tune of 10% of their total sales (rather than about 4% as seen with previous generations), or
3. Sony rounding their numbers to make their PR sound stronger.

People who suspect that Sony rounded the numbers probably think that it might be a bit from each of these, combined. Perhaps it's actually at 9.6 million sold-through and 10.3 million shipped, with tracking companies being a little low and those other regions seeing stronger sales than in previous generations.

Which do you find more trustworthy? A company that has internal numbers that nobody gets to see releasing PR announcing a round milestone achieved just at the start of a major press event, or a group that releases all of their numbers and benchmarks them against other tracking companies (and is open and honest about their methods)?

This isn't to say that Sony isn't trustworthy in general. But a grain of salt is always healthy when dealing with a company whose numbers (which, to be clear, can't be 100% accurate any more than NPD or Famitsu can - note that even Nintendo uses NPD data when talking about sell-through of their hardware) are internal only, and is released as PR rather than in an official statement (as in, financial reports and the like).

Dont know what you have been looking at, but VGC numbers have NEVER been accurate (sometimes the gap could be 35k-50k) with NPD numbers.....ever.



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Aielyn said:
GotBoth said:

People acusing Sony of lying after Ioi post. LMAO do people here really think VGChartz tracks better than sony? yes or no

Nobody thinks that Sony's tracking is less accurate. But there's a difference between thinking the company's internal tracking is less accurate and thinking that Sony's PR isn't accurate.

ioi's post is quite reasonable - he says, very specifically, that it's unclear where the discrepancy is coming from. But when VGChartz's tracking agrees within a good degree of accuracy with the local tracking by various other companies (like NPD), and Sony's claim thus relies on either...

1. All of the tracking companies being inaccurate,
2. Sony seeing remarkable levels of success in areas not typically known for being big on console gaming (like Hong Kong or Africa) to the tune of 10% of their total sales (rather than about 4% as seen with previous generations), or
3. Sony rounding their numbers to make their PR sound stronger.

People who suspect that Sony rounded the numbers probably think that it might be a bit from each of these, combined. Perhaps it's actually at 9.6 million sold-through and 10.3 million shipped, with tracking companies being a little low and those other regions seeing stronger sales than in previous generations.

Which do you find more trustworthy? A company that has internal numbers that nobody gets to see releasing PR announcing a round milestone achieved just at the start of a major press event, or a group that releases all of their numbers and benchmarks them against other tracking companies (and is open and honest about their methods)?

This isn't to say that Sony isn't trustworthy in general. But a grain of salt is always healthy when dealing with a company whose numbers (which, to be clear, can't be 100% accurate any more than NPD or Famitsu can - note that even Nintendo uses NPD data when talking about sell-through of their hardware) are internal only, and is released as PR rather than in an official statement (as in, financial reports and the like).

I am not going to lie I thought this thread was made because of what you said in that other thread about accepting the 10 mil annoucnement Sony made or not. This is not me attacking you but that post immediately came to mind when I saw this thread.

On Topic:

I don't think anyone would seriously think VGC is more accurate than Sony they just questiont eh numbers in regards to acceptable margins of error that's all.



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overman1 said:
JWeinCom said:
Companies often spin or tweak numbers to make them sound more impressive.

Evidence of this in the gaming industry....


Really not going to take the time to sift through google right now.  But hey, if you think that pr companies are always 100% truthful, that's your business.



Vgchartz didn't got one NPD right in the last 7 months. Some uber tracking skills for one country, I'm curious for their mad skills worldwide lol



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overman1 said:

This is what confuses me the most about people who doubt Sony's statement. Does Apple know how many Ipods/Iphone they sell? How does companies keep track of their sold through units and why should this be any different for Sony Playstation?

Also, it is silly to believe that manufacturers dont know how many units of a products are being sold thorugh to consumers. If demand for a product is not has high as supply is, how would a manufacturer know not to produce as many product to aviod a deficit? Does any one here really think Sony does not get sales invoice and accounts from the retailers who sell their product? If Sony were to give Gamestop a million units and Gamestop sells 950,000 of these units in a week. Do you think Sony wont get a record of this and know to supply Gamestop a certain number of units next. How is it so hard to believe that SOny mgiht be more accurate about their own product than an independent, not alway accurate site like VGChartz?

 


This isn't quite how it works though. Retailers like Gamestop are independent companies that aren't affiliated with Sony. Retailers purchase stock from Sony in (almost) the exact same way you and I buy things from retailers. They employ people who predict consumer demand and order what they believe will be the appropriate number of units. I've never heard of any retailer sharing sales information with manufacturers (especially if sales are good!).

Sony only knows for sure how many units it sells to retailers because as your rightly suggest, they have accounts and track the amount of inventory being sold in. When estimating sold through data, I'm not sure exactly where Sony gets its information. We know Nintendo use estimation firms for the U.S and Japan such as NPD and Media Create.

Unfortunately, smaller countries aren't as well catered for in firms who specialise in collecting data to create sales estimates. Partly because there is less demand for the information so estimation firms have no one to sell the information to, but also because these markets are typically made up of fewer retailers who are more reluctant to give away data. (If there are only two major retailers, each retailer could deduce the sales of their competitor by subtracting their sales from total sales.)

tldr; Sony, like all manufacturers can only estimate sold through numbers if they have another way of telling how many people are using a PS4. Maybe something through PSN?



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It's laughable really, do people understand how much trouble Sony could get in for lying about these numbers? Does anybody think Sony would risk their entire reputation just to satisfy console wars on the internet?



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JWeinCom said:
overman1 said:
JWeinCom said:
Companies often spin or tweak numbers to make them sound more impressive.

Evidence of this in the gaming industry....


Really not going to take the time to sift through google right now.  But hey, if you think that pr companies are always 100% truthful, that's your business.

Dude it is very easy to sit at your monitor and accuse the industry of occationally spinning sales numbers but if you cant provide any evidence or provided articles of this fraudulence. Then your accusations are losing credibility....



Fusioncode said:
It's laughable really, do people understand how much trouble Sony could get in for lying about these numbers? Does anybody think Sony would risk their entire reputation just to satisfy console wars on the internet?

Sony wouldn't get in any trouble whatsoever. This wasn't announced to shareholders.

And it has nothing to do with console wars. It's about conveying to the public that your product is successful. I don't think Sony was "lying", but it does surprise me how readily people lap up PR.



If Sony's internal tracking was that great, why would they need other tracking services such as NPD ?

Fact is, they know exactly how many consoles they produced and shipped. They don't know how many of them are actually sold through. They can try to estimate it, but there's always going to be a margin of error.

That doesn't mean that it probably isn't undertracked here and ioi specified in which part of the world that could be.

Also VGC doesn't have to line up exactly with NPD numbers. That's not necessary as they have their own margin of error.



Hey look, there's already a thread on VGChartz and PS4 "10 Million Sold"!

Discuss it there...