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Problem it not the extras problem is if they say partity .. Well Ps4 have 40 to 50 % more power so I expectet more on ps4



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Machiavellian said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

Machiavellian said:
Scisca said:
I've just read that the Xbone collectors edition will get extra content. I'm pissed. MS is paying them after all, so we can forget about PS4 version getting proper treatment.

You do know its a collector edition.  Meaning yes, MS probably paid for it but thats no different than Sony paying Bungie/Activision free DLC and other nick nacks for Destiny.  The stuff in the CE edition really is nothing to get piss at unless you like stuff you would soon forget or throw away.  

As a PS4 gamer, you get the same game at 60 bucks.  For X! owners if they want, they can spend probably 75 or better for a card game and cloth map.

 You do realize you just contradicted yourself right?

Extra Features = Extra Content

If the dev's aren't using the PS4 extra power, but are using the XB1's extra money, then they are in fact using the advantages of one platform versus another, regardless of the fact that its a collector's edition.

Before you say I contradicted myself, first should we not determine exactly what the developer ment by extra features.  Are they talking about content added to retail package or are they talking about the actual game?  From there comments I would say its the actual game.  People can add to their words all they like but they have made it clear they are talking about develping the game not extra trinkets added to the package.

Also features do not mean extra power.  If the PS4 is so much more powerful than the X1 then by default them coding for it will net that extra power.  That extra power would net either better framerates, better resolution, better textures, better AA better everything because they have the overhead to do those things.   If you mean the developer has to spend so much extra resources to obtain this extra power over the other platforms then why would they do that.  Most games come down to the wire when developers are trying to meet their dealine.  You hear about crunh time for game developers all the time.  Time and resources are not infinite for 3rd party developers.  Not meeting your deadlines causes huge problems and if your funding needs that cash, trying to add more stuff to one platform that might not add more sales seems really foolish.

Extra features is extra content. You want to defend MS's extra money, but you want to critisize PS4's extra power? Please.

If its on one and not the other, its extra, plain and simple. Its not parity if I can't get the collectors edition on the PS4.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

kitler53 said:
Machiavellian said:
kitler53 said:
ps4/xbone parity will, sadly, probably be the norm. it is cheaper to develop parity than it is to develop unique features per console. i don't like it but i also get it. ps4 will mostly only get advantages only in framerate and resolution and even then only when developers can't get xbox up to standard.

exclusives is where ps4 will kill xbone graphically and even then only the top teir exclusives like uncharted/TLoU.

@Bolded:  But this is not the case today so why would it be the case in the future.  Even from last generation when did 3rd party developers every push one system over another.  Developers do not need to get the X1 up to standard if the PS4 is already there.  Instead they will drop features, resolution any anything else first.  What will happen is if the X1 is lagging behind the PS4, developers will move resources to get the X1 up to speed as much as possible.


no idea what point you are trying to make but there are dozen upon dozens of threads i could point you to dedicated to xbox's resolution/framerate gap with ps4 on multiplat titles.   clearly, today,.. many developers can't get xbox titles up to standard.

 The past is the past.  For games that are coming out in the next 6 months, its evident that developers are getting the hang of the X1.  Its probably also to do with MS sending those engineers to big studios like Bungie.



Game looks amazing and I am sure it will be a lot of fun.
Don't want parity? Vote with your wallet. Do you want to enjoy the game? Buy it. Easy, isn't it?
I wouldn't want to be a game dev nowadays or at least not one that has to "deal" with professional forum-guys.



Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

Extra features is extra content. You want to defend MS's extra money, but you want to critisize PS4's extra power? Please.

If its on one and not the other, its extra, plain and simple. Its not parity if I can't get the collectors edition on the PS4.

I guess we can agree to disagree on this one.  I am going by what the developers stated not what I am interpreting it to mean.  The developer is clearly talking about the game and development.  Features within the game that is platform specific.  Extra content does not cause the developer to spend any more resources making the game.  So are you going to throw all of the store based extra content into the mix as well.  Do those store based extra content cause the developer to use more resources to make the game any different or are you only singling out the X1.

 If you want to throw on content into the mix that’s fine but that’s not what the developer stated.  Lets be honest here, anyone can just throw on their own interpretation but if it wasn't stated then you cannot hold the developer responsible.

 

@Bolded:  I guess that would be true if they were talking about content that is not part of the game.  Can you tell me what you are not getting within the game for the PS4 that is on the 360.  Is there some type of DLC, in game currency, avatar or any such thing.  Are you telling me you are going to need those cards and cloth map to play the game.  What about the comic book, medallion and other stuff you might miss if you do not pre-order from the stores that have that exclusive stuff.  Can you find a statement from the developer that stated you getting parity for content outside of the game.  If so you have a point if not then I really do not see where you have a solid point to stand on.



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Machiavellian said:
kitler53 said:
Machiavellian said:
kitler53 said:
ps4/xbone parity will, sadly, probably be the norm. it is cheaper to develop parity than it is to develop unique features per console. i don't like it but i also get it. ps4 will mostly only get advantages only in framerate and resolution and even then only when developers can't get xbox up to standard.

exclusives is where ps4 will kill xbone graphically and even then only the top teir exclusives like uncharted/TLoU.

@Bolded:  But this is not the case today so why would it be the case in the future.  Even from last generation when did 3rd party developers every push one system over another.  Developers do not need to get the X1 up to standard if the PS4 is already there.  Instead they will drop features, resolution any anything else first.  What will happen is if the X1 is lagging behind the PS4, developers will move resources to get the X1 up to speed as much as possible.


no idea what point you are trying to make but there are dozen upon dozens of threads i could point you to dedicated to xbox's resolution/framerate gap with ps4 on multiplat titles.   clearly, today,.. many developers can't get xbox titles up to standard.

 The past is the past.  For games that are coming out in the next 6 months, its evident that developers are getting the hang of the X1.  Its probably also to do with MS sending those engineers to big studios like Bungie.


when you say the past you're talking about this morning?!



walsufnir said:
Game looks amazing and I am sure it will be a lot of fun.
Don't want parity? Vote with your wallet. Do you want to enjoy the game? Buy it. Easy, isn't it?
I wouldn't want to be a game dev nowadays or at least not one that has to "deal" with professional forum-guys.

You know I thought the same thing.  I have looked at the game development scene and thought I would love to get into the business.  Lately, I have changed my mind.  It really seem way to much headache with little in reward.  Its extreamly risky and failure is alway at your front door.  I have a friend who I work with who is creating a game for the PS4.  Its not the rosy relationship protrayed on these forums.  If you are not established and its your first project, you are treated just like any other wanna be.  Not saying thats a bad thing or some negative against Sony, just saying that realisticly its not all sunshine and puppy dogs.  There is a big cost and if the project failed, you are at a big disadvantage.



Machiavellian said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

Extra features is extra content. You want to defend MS's extra money, but you want to critisize PS4's extra power? Please.

If its on one and not the other, its extra, plain and simple. Its not parity if I can't get the collectors edition on the PS4.

I guess we can agree to disagree on this one.  I am going by what the developers stated not what I am interpreting it to mean.  The developer is clearly talking about the game and development.  Features within the game that is platform specific.  Extra content does not cause the developer to spend any more resources making the game.  So are you going to throw all of the store based extra content into the mix as well.  Do those store based extra content cause the developer to use more resources to make the game any different or are you only singling out the X1.

 If you want to throw on content into the mix that’s fine but that’s not what the developer stated.  Lets be honest here, anyone can just throw on their own interpretation but if it wasn't stated then you cannot hold the developer responsible.

 

@Bolded:  I guess that would be true if they were talking about content that is not part of the game.  Can you tell me what you are not getting within the game for the PS4 that is on the 360.  Is there some type of DLC, in game currency, avatar or any such thing.  Are you telling me you are going to need those cards and cloth map to play the game.  What about the comic book, medallion and other stuff you might miss if you do not pre-order from the stores that have that exclusive stuff.  Can you find a statement from the developer that stated you getting parity for content outside of the game.  If so you have a point if not then I really do not see where you have a solid point to stand on.

And my opinion is fck what the Devs say, obvious PR is obvious, they have everything to gain from this.

Meanwhile the defintion of extra and content, are what support me.

There is literally nothing stopping them from taking content out of the game and putting it in the collectors edition and calling it, a collectors edition bonus.

At the very least if it was on both then it would be parity.

BESIDES what do you mean extra content doesn't take resources. what kind of nonsense...All content takes resources, content doesn't just manifest out of thin air. If content access on one platform is limited, its not parity plain and simple.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

kitler53 said:
Machiavellian said:
kitler53 said:
Machiavellian said:
kitler53 said:
ps4/xbone parity will, sadly, probably be the norm. it is cheaper to develop parity than it is to develop unique features per console. i don't like it but i also get it. ps4 will mostly only get advantages only in framerate and resolution and even then only when developers can't get xbox up to standard.

exclusives is where ps4 will kill xbone graphically and even then only the top teir exclusives like uncharted/TLoU.

@Bolded:  But this is not the case today so why would it be the case in the future.  Even from last generation when did 3rd party developers every push one system over another.  Developers do not need to get the X1 up to standard if the PS4 is already there.  Instead they will drop features, resolution any anything else first.  What will happen is if the X1 is lagging behind the PS4, developers will move resources to get the X1 up to speed as much as possible.


no idea what point you are trying to make but there are dozen upon dozens of threads i could point you to dedicated to xbox's resolution/framerate gap with ps4 on multiplat titles.   clearly, today,.. many developers can't get xbox titles up to standard.

 The past is the past.  For games that are coming out in the next 6 months, its evident that developers are getting the hang of the X1.  Its probably also to do with MS sending those engineers to big studios like Bungie.


when you say the past you're talking about this morning?!

??? What exactly are we discussing.  Maybe we are on the wrong page.  I am not talking about 3rd party developers getting the X1 to the PS4, I am stating that 3rd party developers are not struggling as much in the beginning of the console launch to get decent performance out of the X1.  Even your post only state that the PS4 is good to go but the X1 need more work.  I guess it could be we are discussing the same thing.



Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

And my opinion is fck what the Devs say, obvious PR is obvious, they have everything to gain from this.

 Ahhh ok now I get it.  I guess we really do not need to discuss this any further.  If you are going to throw out what they stated and use an excuse that its PR, I guess that would favor your opinion.  I have to say its very convient to just throw out the words and pretty much select what you want to hear and what you don't.  

Just wondering, where you this dimissive on the Destiny bonus that is only coming to the PS4 at this time. Just wondering.

Meanwhile the defintion of extra and content, are what support me.

There is literally nothing stopping them from taking content out of the game and putting it in the collectors edition and calling it, a collectors edition bonus.

But they didn't.  They did not take content from the game and make it into a CE so what exactly is this point actually means.  Why make a hypothretical statement that isn't happening.  You cannot build your argument on something thats not there.

At the very least if it was on both then it would be parity.

Still this has nothing to do with the game.  Are you complainging about all extra content including the ones that are store based or are you only singling the CE edition.  Whats the difference between one over the other.

BESIDES what do you mean extra content doesn't take resources. what kind of nonsense...All content takes resources, content doesn't just manifest out of thin air. If content access on one platform is limited, its not parity plain and simple.

Can you tell me what group that develops a game will be taking off making the game to create the cards and the cloth map?   What does a cloth map and some game cards have to do with parity with game content?