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You're never going to see a list like this that makes even most people happy. Just too many varying opinions. For me this list has both good and bad parts.

I agree with #1. Best game I've ever played. Halo is good too as it's certainly a top 10 game.

But, No Gran Turismo games? Not even the first one or #3? SSB: Brawl instead of Melee? That's sacrilege to the SSB fanbase. Galaxy needs to be far lower easily top 25.



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TLOU at #1.
Cant take list seriously anymore.



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Terrible list, but w/e. No sense getting all riled up every time someone posts something stupid on the web.



said it before and will say it again. No game should ever be considered for a greatest games of all time list until it is at least a few years old.

It's so frustrating seeing games in the top 10 that are super recent and then in a few years they drop a crap load of places and below many older games.



Metrium said:
#1 is a complete joke. It should barely make the top 10. The fact that it has a ''deep'' story that is completly cliché and predictable and that this game takes itself for a movie does'nt make it the best game of all time despite ppl getting hipnotised by it's story to see this game as what it's not. Especyaly when the story is absolutly the only thing this game has.

Great stories are common, gameplay prefection is rare and only the games that achieve it should be in the top 10.TLoU only has a great story and it's its marketing, production and the fact that it's made from Naughty Dog that helped this game get overhyped above the rest creating a snowball effect (seriously, from the moment we've seen the first CGI trailer with the ND logo that game was already considered by many to be a futur best game of all time contender...)

And it has great gameplay with nice open environments that keep the stealth tense and some of the most terrifying encounters in modern gaming.  Companies always get overhyped (mainly Nintendo imo).  No one was crying when TLoU was announced unlike another game's teaser so don't act like ND is the only one that benefits from name recognition.




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platformmaster918 said:
Metrium said:
#1 is a complete joke. It should barely make the top 10. The fact that it has a ''deep'' story that is completly cliché and predictable and that this game takes itself for a movie does'nt make it the best game of all time despite ppl getting hipnotised by it's story to see this game as what it's not. Especyaly when the story is absolutly the only thing this game has.

Great stories are common, gameplay prefection is rare and only the games that achieve it should be in the top 10.TLoU only has a great story and it's its marketing, production and the fact that it's made from Naughty Dog that helped this game get overhyped above the rest creating a snowball effect (seriously, from the moment we've seen the first CGI trailer with the ND logo that game was already considered by many to be a futur best game of all time contender...)

And it has great gameplay with nice open environments that keep the stealth tense and some of the most terrifying encounters in modern gaming.  Companies always get overhyped (mainly Nintendo imo).  No one was crying when TLoU was announced unlike another game's teaser so don't act like ND is the only one that benefits from name recognition.

You and I clearly don't have the same deffination of ''open''. The game is not open at all. It's as open as Super Mario Bros where you have the choice of staying down or going up the blocks...

I'll give you the fact that some of it's stealth is tense. I said in a earlier post that the best thing from this game came from the clickers and that imo they were underused. But don't start spreading the word that it has ''some of the most terrifying encounters in modern gaming'', cause that just not true. This comes from a real chicken when it comes to video games. I love scary games but I can't get to play them cause I get so stressed out, I'm a real chicken lol. But I never had any problems with TLoU. Some of it's moment were scary but nothing to make me shit my pants. I even thought Bioshock was more scary and it's not a horror game. I know the most overhyped game of all time is getting underserved praised on every possible aspects, but saying it's one of the most terrifying game in modern gaming is going WAY to far and pretty much sums up how overhyped this game is.

As for when TLoU was announced, you clearly have no spent much time on N4G.com. Do yourself a favor and stay away from it's community. Ppl were going batshit crazy when it was announced over a simple CGI trailer. Ppl over there was already calling it GotY and game of the generation. Naughty Dog is imo the Christopher Nolan of the video game industry (altho I do LOVE Nolan movies). As for Zelda, first of all atleast it was a game from a established franchise that some could say is one of the most respected in the industry. So ppl have alot to look forward and be happy about. And second, it actualy showed gameplay, and ppl were going crazy about the ''mature'' artstyle that fans have been asking for years (I think it's a dumb reason but for some it's important). My point is, how can you say a game will be the best thing since the discovery of bacon when it's a new IP and you did'nt even see gameplay from the game? You litteraly know nothing on how it plays. Atleast if GTA gave us a CGI trailer you can expect that a game you will love is comming since you played the previous games. But either way, crying over a game announcement is overdoing it I'll give you that.... Unless it's Metroid Prime 4 :P

And I'm not saying ND is the only one to benefit from name recognition, but I'm saying that if this game was made by someone else and had no where near the marketing(propaganda?) push from sony and by snowball effect the internet, this game would'nt be in the top 10.



 

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Metrium said:

You and I clearly don't have the same deffination of ''open''. The game is not open at all. It's as open as Super Mario Bros where you have the choice of staying down or going up the blocks...

I'll give you the fact that some of it's stealth is tense. I said in a earlier post that the best thing from this game came from the clickers and that imo they were underused. But don't start spreading the word that it has ''some of the most terrifying encounters in modern gaming'', cause that just not true. This comes from a real chicken when it comes to video games. I love scary games but I can't get to play them cause I get so stressed out, I'm a real chicken lol. But I never had any problems with TLoU. Some of it's moment were scary but nothing to make me shit my pants. I even thought Bioshock was more scary and it's not a horror game. I know the most overhyped game of all time is getting underserved praised on every possible aspects, but saying it's one of the most terrifying game in modern gaming is going WAY to far and pretty much sums up how overhyped this game is.

As for when TLoU was announced, you clearly have no spent much time on N4G.com. Do yourself a favor and stay away from it's community. Ppl were going batshit crazy when it was announced over a simple CGI trailer. Ppl over there was already calling it GotY and game of the generation. Naughty Dog is imo the Christopher Nolan of the video game industry (altho I do LOVE Nolan movies). As for Zelda, first of all atleast it was a game from a established franchise that some could say is one of the most respected in the industry. So ppl have alot to look forward and be happy about. And second, it actualy showed gameplay, and ppl were going crazy about the ''mature'' artstyle that fans have been asking for years (I think it's a dumb reason but for some it's important). My point is, how can you say a game will be the best thing since the discovery of bacon when it's a new IP and you did'nt even see gameplay from the game? You litteraly know nothing on how it plays. Atleast if GTA gave us a CGI trailer you can expect that a game you will love is comming since you played the previous games. But either way, crying over a game announcement is overdoing it I'll give you that.... Unless it's Metroid Prime 4 :P

And I'm not saying ND is the only one to benefit from name recognition, but I'm saying that if this game was made by someone else and had no where near the marketing(propaganda?) push from sony and by snowball effect the internet, this game would'nt be in the top 10.

Naughty dog is the brand not their franchises (though those are successful too).  You can't pick out one rabbid site and act like it overrules the craziness and pre-release love affair that comes with every Halo, Zelda, GTA, Uncharted, 3d Mario (not as much with world but reviewers and fans seem to have cooled off with the crazy hype on the WiiU editions of these franchises).  I had a Wii and now have a WiiU and I hate how Galaxy is lauded as the greatest game ever because of its metacritic yet the reviews seems to have so many nostalgic phrases about "Nintendo magic" and whatnot.  Just let the game speak for itself in describing WHY it is apparently so magical.  I trust a studio with a proven pedigree over a franchise name any day (see the newest GoW and Gears and how differing opinions are on different Zeldas)

Also TLoU is open compared to COD or Uncharted or other very cinematic games that don't have those open areas like the multi-level bookstore in Pittsburgh with a few different groups of enemies in it.  These can be 10 minute long encounters where you tackle things completely different.  That's what I meant by open there's a fairly large area that you can tackle from any angle.




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archbrix said:
MikeRox said:

It's interesting, I never really got on with Super Metroid, yet I loved the Prime games, Symphony of the Night and Metroid 2 and Fusion. (Never played the NES one)

But as I edited in my post, Nintendo will have suffered from a much lower presence in the 8 and 16 bit days in the UK compared with other parts of the world.

Your post just now made me aware that SOTN isn't on this list.  No Castlevania game is.  >:(

WTF!?

Wait a second, SotN is not on that list?! >_>




                
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Metrium said:
Scoobes said:
Metrium said:

And what's wrong with OoT? Did you even play the thing? And if so, did you play remembering that this game came out in 1997. That game created trends, it established new standards in so many levels, unlike TLoU who just followed a trend. I never mentioned OoT before you did, altho I indeed do believe it deserves that spot. But the fact that did'nt mention it and you did makes me think that if I'm raging against TLoU like you said, you clearly have the same problem with OoT.

As someone who keeps hearing how OoT set trends and as someone who has had it on his backlog for a longtime, I have to ask. What trends and standards did OoT set?


Not saying it was the first game ever to do so but it at the very least inspired many many many games that followed it. The 3D world exploring, the Z targetting... Ppl would be crazy to deny that it's puzzle and it's formula of going from dongeons to dongeons (altho present in previous games of the franchise) did'nt inspire many, it's sense of adventure... I could probably nitpick a few more examples but I think this is enough.

I don't know, a lot of what you said sounds like stuff that was relatively well established or at least becoming established. The PC in the early 90s had a number of 3D wRPGs that were focussed on 3D exploration of a large open world (the first elder scolls game and Ultima Underworld off the top of my head) as well as adventure games like Little Big Adventure. There's also Mario 64 which I felt was the real innovator back then, at least in its free-flowing mechanics.

And as you said yourself the Zelda formula was present in previous games although I can't comment on how innovative the puzzle elements were for back then. I imagine they must have been fairly new for the simple fact that devs (and players) were exploring 3D movement; a lot of innovation happened that gen because of this.

All that said, Z-targetting I can completely understand. I can't think of games before '97 that did this and its become a fairly useful way to implement combat in a number of games (even today). I actually didn't realise it was OoT that introduced it.



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