Avro1958 said:
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"On a roll" First users hated MS for bundling Kinect, the whole internet was against MS. Then they "listen" to customers and change this and now this is also negative. MS just can't win for some, no matter what they're doing.

Avro1958 said:
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"On a roll" First users hated MS for bundling Kinect, the whole internet was against MS. Then they "listen" to customers and change this and now this is also negative. MS just can't win for some, no matter what they're doing.

walsufnir said:
"On a roll" First users hated MS for bundling Kinect, the whole internet was against MS. Then they "listen" to customers and change this and now this is also negative. MS just can't win for some, no matter what they're doing.
That's one way to spin it... MS did not change because they "listened" I am sure PR will spin it that way, they saw the market share they had in the US evaporate! They told us that the XB1 would never release without Kinect, it could not! The Kinect was VERY important to what MS was trying to do... Then they do it. They lied about it. It could have been done and should have been done from the start. In this case the consumers MS pissed off are not stupid... it's not rocket science the consumer handed MS there ass on a platter and now they are back tracking. Don't confuse these changes as good will under the guise of "listening", MS made horrible mistakes with hardware and PR and are now running scared trying to fix them.
Didn't we already have a thread for this? :-/
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| Avro1958 said: walsufnir said: "On a roll" First users hated MS for bundling Kinect, the whole internet was against MS. Then they "listen" to customers and change this and now this is also negative. MS just can't win for some, no matter what they're doing. That's one way to spin it... MS did not change because they "listened" I am sure PR will spin it that way, they saw the market share they had in the US evaporate! They told us that the XB1 would never release without Kinect, it could not! The Kinect was VERY important to what MS was trying to do... Then they do it. They lied about it. It could have been done and should have been done from the start. In this case the consumers MS pissed off are not stupid... it's not rocket science the consumer handed MS there ass on a platter and now they are back tracking. Don't confuse these changes as good will under the guise of "listening", MS made horrible mistakes with hardware and PR and are now running scared trying to fix them. |
how else do you epxect them to listen to bunch of forum users how say one thing then do the oppiste? how many people bash cod every year but yet still sells huge amounts of copies. the only way to show that you dont want is to not buy it and when that happend they changed it

| AZWification said: Didn't we already have a thread for this? :-/ |
I swear I've seen this thread everyday... :(
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Azerth said:
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And people are still pissed, because these changes we were told COULD not happen did... How did these changes help MS? The WiiU is doing better since the damn change and Sony is still KILLING them! Consumers again don't like being told they are stupid and while MS may not have said it directly they sure gave the impression.
| Avro1958 said: walsufnir said: "On a roll" First users hated MS for bundling Kinect, the whole internet was against MS. Then they "listen" to customers and change this and now this is also negative. MS just can't win for some, no matter what they're doing. That's one way to spin it... MS did not change because they "listened" I am sure PR will spin it that way, they saw the market share they had in the US evaporate! They told us that the XB1 would never release without Kinect, it could not! The Kinect was VERY important to what MS was trying to do... Then they do it. They lied about it. It could have been done and should have been done from the start. In this case the consumers MS pissed off are not stupid... it's not rocket science the consumer handed MS there ass on a platter and now they are back tracking. Don't confuse these changes as good will under the guise of "listening", MS made horrible mistakes with hardware and PR and are now running scared trying to fix them. |
Ok, I know now where you are coming from and think the best way now is to stop this discussion.
Have fun on the forums, though! 

| Vasto said: I still dont believe it. |
He COULD be right, but then again it wouldn't be the first time an official announcement like this turned out to be false 6 months later.