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Q. When did Sony say they were against DRM? 

A. Never

DRM is integral to reduce piracy.

What Sony did say they are against though is losing ownership of physical based software as soon as you pop it into your console. Not once did they say they were against DRM but rather against this type of DRM.

Sony do not want to have EA Access because it conflicts hard with PS Plus. If Sony accepted EA, other publishers would follow, each time taking their games off of PS Plus and reducing its quality. Sony didn't open the floodgate to even give that a chance of happening. It's purely for business reasons.

BTW to the people comparing EA Access to PS Now. One is for playing games instantly without download (streaming) while the other you have to download and install the games. EA Access is similar to PS Plus and not PS Now.



I wonder what would happen if Spotify would like to launch on ps4 and Sony would say: We have music unlimited, Spotify doesn't represent good value for Playstation gamers..



 

Face the future.. Gamecenter ID: nikkom_nl (oh no he didn't!!) 

sabastian said:
If Sony allows EA to start this, other companies will follow.

Next thing you know we have 10 main publishers doing paid subs. Its not a good idea.
Imagine Capcom doing this for all Capcom games.

It would be the wild wild west.

Not sure how it would matter if 50 companies did it.  You are not required to have it to play their games, just go buy the disc.  This is a service to play older content and they added discounts and early access to create more value.

There are hundreds of websites to talk gaming on.  You chose this particular one to spend time on.  You also paid to come on here by purchasing internet or a device to access the internet.  All of these are choices that you make.  But they are your choices to make.

If EA Access is successful, Sony will eventually offer it and the other ineveitable copycat services.  When they do, they will tell us that they are doing it to offer us more choices.  We will welcome it with open arms and embrace it like they did us a favor.  They are just too good at this stuff.



It is near the end of the end....

Landguy said:
Burek said:
Landguy said:
The Fury said:
Little confused, I see no DRM here that would be in the same ball park as what you mention, DRM for digital downloads or streaming (the latter is content you never own) is not the same as a disc. A nice theory.

The disc is what Sony conceded on.  They knew that consumers and even their own systems weren't prepared to go all DRM all the time.  So, they went with the approrach that they were thinking of the consumer by not forcing DRM.  A great story and as it turns out, a GREAT sales pitch.  Meanwhile, they work slowly to ensure that there is no competition to their service on the dominant selling system.  By default, they have created DRM.  If 2/3 of the market is on your system and must go through your system only to get the content, then they have most of the control and the gamers and publishers have none or very little.

It was just a brilliant play on people emotions to have physical media.

Nice flawed logic. 2/3 of the market don't have to go through anything, they can just buy a disc and play to their heart's desire.

Also, PS is a closed system which by definition has no competition, as everything goes through PSN store anyway. Nobody is stopping EA, Ubi or Acti to deliver their service. They only need to find a willing medium to do it (seems like there is one).

And also, all of a sudden PS4 has 2/3 of the market. Nice to hear that, particularly after all those threads propagating a narrowing gap, being overtaken by XOne etc. Seems that June NPD report will be astonishing.

Buy more tin foil...

It's not 2/4 that can put the disc in and play, it's 100%.

The difference is when you go digital, what are your choices?  Like you said Sony is PSN and that is your only gateway.  The difference is determining who should get paid.  Under Sony/Apple's model, they are in complete control.  The epitomy of DRM.  I don't have a problem with it, but don't talk like it is something else when you stand on the stage and pitch that you are out there for the gamer.

Let me just try to clear this up, DRM stands for "Digital Rights Management". It has nothing to do with who gets paid for a game purchase. It has everything to do with who owns the game after purchase, and what that person can do with their purchase. Nobody (or at least very few people) have a problem with the DRM Sony currently imposes on digital games. They are neccesary to prevent rampant copying/piracy. If you don't like the DRM on digital purchases (i.e. you can't resell a digital purchase), buy the physical copy. That is your choice, and is the choice Microsoft was trying to take away.



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Nice write up, except that it's ill-informed.

Console publishers already control who gets paid.  It's a part of the terms for publishing on a console.  Additionally, Sony now licenses the DRM technology that Microsoft created.  They use the same DRM system, they just operate independently. 

When a video software publisher signs with a console maker, they agree to allow the console manufacturer to do all the publishing.  This way the console manufacturer is assured of getting their royalties due, and not for relying on a publisher to be honest or truthful as to the number of units sold.  This was also the reason why digital game services/stores offered to-date were entirely controlled by the console manufacturer. 

Back when Microsoft licensed the Blu-Ray technology, Sony licensed the DRM technology.  PlayReadyDRM is available for any major system/OS, such as OS X, Linux, as well as Windows. 

The reality of the situation is, Microsoft has the infrastructure in-place to allow outside venders to offer thier own software services, which piggy-back off of Microsoft's own.  Sony currently doesn't have the infrastructure available to allow any other services to work.

What this demonstrates is Microsoft is capable of offering services like a GameFly or RedBox game rental service.  Where Sony doesn't appear to have the capability.  That isn't to say it couldn't, just that they don't presently.




Landguy said:
sabastian said:
If Sony allows EA to start this, other companies will follow.

Next thing you know we have 10 main publishers doing paid subs. Its not a good idea.
Imagine Capcom doing this for all Capcom games.

It would be the wild wild west.

Not sure how it would matter if 50 companies did it.  You are not required to have it to play their games, just go buy the disc.  This is a service to play older content and they added discounts and early access to create more value.

There are hundreds of websites to talk gaming on.  You chose this particular one to spend time on.  You also paid to come on here by purchasing internet or a device to access the internet.  All of these are choices that you make.  But they are your choices to make.

If EA Access is successful, Sony will eventually offer it and the other ineveitable copycat services.  When they do, they will tell us that they are doing it to offer us more choices.  We will welcome it with open arms and embrace it like they did us a favor.  They are just too good at this stuff.

It would devalue ps+, as any company who has this service set up would not want their game on ps+.



The surprise here is not that Sony has turned down EA but that Microsoft has accepted the program.

I can't help but think that, had Microsoft started well this generation, they would also have passed on EA Access. It's possible that they're looking for ways to combat Playstation Now, as well, though I'm surprised they aren't working on their own method.

As far as Playstation Now being DRM, it is not. DRM is an added or artificial method to control the way consumers access or use a product. Steam forces authentication check-ins. Apple's first model used MP3s with additional coding so that they could not be played by other devices. With Playstation Now, the restrictions are inherent in the delivery process. Needing an internet connection in order to stream content is hardly something Sony has added on after the fact.



Landguy said:

It's not 2/4 that can put the disc in and play, it's 100%.

The difference is when you go digital, what are your choices?  Like you said Sony is PSN and that is your only gateway.  The difference is determining who should get paid.  Under Sony/Apple's model, they are in complete control.  The epitomy of DRM.  I don't have a problem with it, but don't talk like it is something else when you stand on the stage and pitch that you are out there for the gamer.


Not sure if I get your point? I'm not entirely sure what you heard Sony say to go on about DRM so much? Can you please explain/show us what you are referring to because I'm am lost.

Are you saying that Sony shouldn't have control of PSN and let people sell what they want and how they want?

Or are you trying to say that Sony monopolise their own system. If so in what way? I mean that they have all the publishers involved on PS Plus and PS Now and all the publishers are allowed to sell their games on the PS Store. What is the point you are trying to make?



Yep Sony is starting to show their bad side. Their response to EA Access was arrogant and salty as hell. Not to mention it is so blatantly obvious that they don't want the competition to PSNow.