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Versus_Evil said:
vivster said:

Why would that be guilty? It's easily the best anime of the season. Will get a 9/10 for sure.

I don't really have any guilty pleasures this season. It's a pretty good one.

I wouldn't say it's my AOTS, but it's very very good. Hell I even raved about the first episode in here and how everybody should watch it :3 but i feel like there's very few people outside of maybe me and you who are holding this anime is such high regard. Hence the idea of it being a guilty pleasure of mine :)

Why would you feel guilty in front of people who enjoy animes like Yowamushi?



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fatslob-:O said:
Aeolus451 said:

 Does the age really matter, though? Everyone involved in anime knows that much older people watch any genre of anime. Terraformars has a lot of action and it's target demographic is males. Not much difference between seinen and shounen in my opinion. Alot of people use those words as a term for a genre.

Yes it does! It's all about the intention behind the author that defines it's target demographic ... 

You can't exactly say a series is meant for that particular audience aside from the creators themselves ... 

LuckyTrouble said:
The thing with shonen is that it can be defined as a genre. We can say "targeted at young males", but what does that actually mean? It tends to mean a focus on action, the plot usually driven through repeated conflict resolved through battle of some kind, and it tends to have an absence of romance or only uses it as a comedic plot element (One Piece being a great, long running example of all of the above). Granted, not all shonen will necessarily stick to these basic guidelines, but I could rattle off about a dozen more prominent shonen anime that follow them practically to the letter.

I mean, you can't say that shonen has a target audience and then say that there are no genre specific trends of appealing to a specific target audience. That literally makes no sense.

It means that's what the author intended for it's audience to be. Nothing more and nothing less ... 

The concept of "shounen" isn't tied to ANY specific genre. You can have a shounen manga focus on whatever genre the author wants like comedy, music, romance, crime drama's, slice of life, psychological, or anything else that also not action. Just because a manga is published in a magazine that targets younger males doesn't mean that it has to conform to the trends like it's other contemporaries do ... 

Demographics and genres are practically orthogonal notions ... 

Would you agree that the target demographic for Terraformars, Highschool of the dead, Naruto, Bleach, Hunter X Hunter, Attack on Titan, Parasyte The Maxim, One Piece is males?

The age doesn't matter with any those.

Targeting a certain age is basically pointless with anime because there's only anime for young people. None of it is for old folks (40+). What interests adults and teenagers in anime will be probably interest pre-teens and vice versa. The only thing that's really an exception is the actual kid shows. 



Aeolus451 said:

Would you agree that the target demographic for Terraformars, Highschool of the dead, Naruto, Bleach, Hunter X Hunter, Attack on Titan, Parasyte The Maxim, One Piece is males?

The age doesn't matter with any those.

Targeting a certain age is basically pointless with anime because there's only anime for young people. None of it is for old folks (40+). What interests adults and teenagers in anime will be probably interest pre-teens and vice versa. The only thing that's really an exception is the actual kid shows. 

That's why we have a label called "males" to consist of that demographic but that doesn't mean age does not matter in specifying the audience either ... 

Anime isn't just for young people, EVERYONE can enjoy it and when people mean "young" they are usually not talking the age of 40 or less but about people of less than 18 years of age ...

It's absolutely not true that practically almost all adults or the younger demographic shares the same interests. There's a reason why Shueisha doesn't lump a lot of the material from weekly young jump into weekly shounen jump ... 



Shadow8 said:
AsGryffynn said:

Tried it, no luck... It definitely is shounen and I can see it, but it feels like Fairy Tail to me... And I am not all that sold on Fairy Tail either... 

Hunter x Hunter is pretty old (returning though) and Assassination Classroom looks promising, but anime wise it's near dead. Same goes for Hero Academia... 

And I lump Jojo with the likes of YuYu Hakusho... A bit too on the "manry" side... 

If someone knows a manga that has... 

 

  • Teen main characters
  • Realistic body proportions
  • Takes place on Earth but is not slice of life or crime related
  • No psychological themes
  • Fantasy
  • Male protagonist
  • Shounen
  • Fighting manga
  • Has at least a 150 chapter backlog
  • No older than 2008...
As it stands, the only manga I know that still fill the void are Bleach and Beelzebub... 

 

 I will ignore you badmouthing jojo and yuyu hakusho for now, but don't do that again...

As for a shounen that goes with your characteristics, one i can think of is Medaka Box, it's really good. At least the manga is, never saw the anime of it. The first few chapters are kind of SoL-like, but then it goes full on shonen after those. Might want to check that one out.

I didn't. I just put those on my "comic book" bracket and usually don't bother with their animes... Medaka does fit it, but I wanted to make sure if that was the newest one before I tried it out... That's what I am trying to say! It's become less common to find tons of long runners in recent years. Series are leaning for shorter "seasons" over the 100+ episode arcs I favor... 

Aeolus451 said:
There's not really any new long running shounen that I can think of besides World Trigger. I looked up what shounen meant and that's a very loose term to describe as a genre. Terraformars fits the definition in my opinion. haha.

If I were you, I would watch something older. Nothing wrong with diving into the older stuff especially if you've never seen it. Just some examples. Fullmetal Alchemist brotherhood, Inuyasha, Hunter X Hunter.

Thing is, I already did older, and Hunter x Hunter had a conception of their world that sort of warded me off... But I agree with the definition of shounen. Shounen means a lot of stuff, so I stick with the purist definition of "superhero fantasy manga with a teen protagonist". It's like comic books as "superhero stories" even though comic books are more than just Justice League and Spiderman... 

 



AsGryffynn said:
Shadow8 said:

 I will ignore you badmouthing jojo and yuyu hakusho for now, but don't do that again...

As for a shounen that goes with your characteristics, one i can think of is Medaka Box, it's really good. At least the manga is, never saw the anime of it. The first few chapters are kind of SoL-like, but then it goes full on shonen after those. Might want to check that one out.

I didn't. I just put those on my "comic book" bracket and usually don't bother with their animes... Medaka does fit it, but I wanted to make sure if that was the newest one before I tried it out... That's what I am trying to say! It's become less common to find tons of long runners in recent years. Series are leaning for shorter "seasons" over the 100+ episode arcs I favor... 

Aeolus451 said:
There's not really any new long running shounen that I can think of besides World Trigger. I looked up what shounen meant and that's a very loose term to describe as a genre. Terraformars fits the definition in my opinion. haha.

If I were you, I would watch something older. Nothing wrong with diving into the older stuff especially if you've never seen it. Just some examples. Fullmetal Alchemist brotherhood, Inuyasha, Hunter X Hunter.

Thing is, I already did older, and Hunter x Hunter had a conception of their world that sort of warded me off... But I agree with the definition of shounen. Shounen means a lot of stuff, so I stick with the purist definition of "superhero fantasy manga with a teen protagonist". It's like comic books as "superhero stories" even though comic books are more than just Justice League and Spiderman... 

 

What didn't you like about Hunter X hunter or what warded you off from it, if you don't mind me prying?



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fatslob-:O said:
Aeolus451 said:

Would you agree that the target demographic for Terraformars, Highschool of the dead, Naruto, Bleach, Hunter X Hunter, Attack on Titan, Parasyte The Maxim, One Piece is males?

The age doesn't matter with any those.

Targeting a certain age is basically pointless with anime because there's only anime for young people. None of it is for old folks (40+). What interests adults and teenagers in anime will be probably interest pre-teens and vice versa. The only thing that's really an exception is the actual kid shows. 

That's why we have a label called "males" to consist of that demographic but that doesn't mean age does not matter in specifying the audience either ... 

Anime isn't just for young people, EVERYONE can enjoy it and when people mean "young" they are usually not talking the age of 40 or less but about people of less than 18 years of age ...

It's absolutely not true that practically almost all adults or the younger demographic shares the same interests. There's a reason why Shueisha doesn't lump a lot of the material from weekly young jump into weekly shounen jump ... 

Hmm, I think that you get what I mean but you're just nit picking. Let's just agree to disagree on this.



LuckyTrouble said:
The thing with shonen is that it can be defined as a genre. We can say "targeted at young males", but what does that actually mean? It tends to mean a focus on action, the plot usually driven through repeated conflict resolved through battle of some kind, and it tends to have an absence of romance or only uses it as a comedic plot element (One Piece being a great, long running example of all of the above). Granted, not all shonen will necessarily stick to these basic guidelines, but I could rattle off about a dozen more prominent shonen anime that follow them practically to the letter.

I mean, you can't say that shonen has a target audience and then say that there are no genre specific trends of appealing to a specific target audience. That literally makes no sense.

Shounen can't be a genre because it contains many different genres.

To Love-Ru, Bakuman, Sket Dance, Detective Conan, Love Hina, Dagashi Kashi, The World Only God Knows, Nisekoi, Baby Steps, Hayate the Combat Butler, Sankarea, and Yamada-kun & the Seven Witches are all well-known examples of shounen.  None of these would fall into the same genre as, for example, Naruto.

In Japan, there is one, true definition for "shounen":  it's published in a shounen magazine.  Same for the rest of the categories.  It's as simple as that.  That's why when people say they want more shounen series, other people are like, "but what kind of shounen do you want?"  Detective anime?  Sports anime?  Harem anime?  In that context, it doesn't tell us very much.



AsGryffynn said:
Shadow8 said:

 I will ignore you badmouthing jojo and yuyu hakusho for now, but don't do that again...

As for a shounen that goes with your characteristics, one i can think of is Medaka Box, it's really good. At least the manga is, never saw the anime of it. The first few chapters are kind of SoL-like, but then it goes full on shonen after those. Might want to check that one out.

I didn't. I just put those on my "comic book" bracket and usually don't bother with their animes... Medaka does fit it, but I wanted to make sure if that was the newest one before I tried it out... That's what I am trying to say! It's become less common to find tons of long runners in recent years. Series are leaning for shorter "seasons" over the 100+ episode arcs I favor... 

Ah ok my bad, it seemed like you weren't giving them a chance, which would be a shame since yuyu is great and jojo is amazing :P And well jojo is gonna be quite the long running shounen considering the manga is over 700 chapters and the anime only started in 2012, so it's gonna take some time to adapt all that Stand goodness.

So does the bolded mean you might read them, instead of watching the anime for both of them?

 



 

pokoko said:

Shounen can't be a genre because it contains many different genres.

To Love-Ru, Bakuman, Sket Dance, Detective Conan, Love Hina, Dagashi Kashi, The World Only God Knows, Nisekoi, Baby Steps, Hayate the Combat Butler, Sankarea, and Yamada-kun & the Seven Witches are all well-known examples of shounen.  None of these would fall into the same genre as, for example, Naruto.

In Japan, there is one, true definition for "shounen":  it's published in a shounen magazine.  Same for the rest of the categories.  It's as simple as that.  That's why when people say they want more shounen series, other people are like, "but what kind of shounen do you want?"  Detective anime?  Sports anime?  Harem anime?  In that context, it doesn't tell us very much.

I was going to respond to this topic once I got home...but it looks like you said everything I had to say. Well done, sir.

I'm probably guilty of using the wrong labels myself...mostly because of how widespread the genre/demographic confusion is. Really though, it's true that you can find almost anything in shounen magazines. Even in Jump alone (*checks out sig*) we have romance, comedies, SoL, and even a freaking cooking manga getting cover billing. These really aren't the exception at this point.

I'd also add that the reverse side, like when people refer to anything with romance in it as a shoujo, makes me cringe me even more. 



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