You live in Germany, right?...was reading on gaf that the PS4 completely obliterates the XB1 in the sales charts over there, more than in many other territories, to the point one could think the system just doesn´t exist.

Is it true?...is there some hyperbole in that or is it that bad for the XB1 in Germany?

Well, you can look at Amazon or of course Vgchartz for some indicators.

Best selling PS4 on Amazon.de right now is at number 26, the best selling X1 is at 181. For the year 2014 we have the PS4 at 6...and 35...and 69, while the X1 doesn't even make the top 100. Also the PS4 has for several months at the beginning of the year been more expensive than the X1 on Amazon.de since Amazon had cut the price of the Xbox on their own to, I think, 450€, while the PS4 was only available through third party retailers asking for outrageous prices, even that didn't stop the PS4 from outselling the X1.

Vgchartz also shows the PS4 easily more than doubling the X1 in Germany.

Finally for some anecdotal evidence, the big electronics retailer in my city had by the middle of december over 30 X1s in stock and I swear that they still haven't sold all of those. Meanwhile the PS4 didn't become fully stocked till the beginning of May.

So yeah, one could say that the situation isn't very good in Germany.

Thanks for the info.That disparity between the two systems on Amazon.de is huge.I guess the best chance MS had in Europe was the 360.. this time they had none of the advantages the 360 had over the PS3 and a Sony that didn´t shoot themselves in the foot like they did with the PS3, while doing just that themselves with all the negative press on DRM and other stuff.

any numbers for XB1 and 360 individually or is XB1 pulling a vita?

Nope, we don't know the individual numbers. 

Weeeeell... suppose if we're to find a silver lining, at least Microsoft'll probably have a reason to put on their bragging shoes next quarterly report; 'Our Xbox One sales have gone up x percent since the last report! Victoryyyy!' Basically, the same sort of thing that happened prior to June's NPD. Depending on if the PS4 outsells them next quarter, however, we're prooobably not going to be seeing any solid numbers then either. o.o Kind of a miracle anyone can keep track of anything with regards to sales, when the companies with the most reliable numbers find so many ways to hide them.

I have to admit, though, I am reeeeeally curious to hear what Sony's numbers are, and hopefully they'll provide sold-to-customer figures, and not just moved-to-retailer.

On another note, I wonder how much of the Kinect-less SKU was produced in-factory to provide the necessary supply, and how many units were just older, re-packaged Xbox Ones with the Kinects removed. Considering there was apparently a build-up of stock, makes sense that they'd just repurpose the bulk of their existing stock, rather than spend even more money building new consoles.

...it would also mean they have a whole pile of Kinects lying around somewhere just waiting to be packaged and sold. xD

In their financial reports, they usallly group the PS3 and PS4 together. And the numbers reported in their results are shipped. 

Ahh nertz. xP Thanks anyway.

financial reports are always shipped. it will also most probably be PS3+PS4 numbers limped together. unless sony comes out and says a PS4 number. 

Sony will do that once they reach a new milestone number. So I'd say expect a 10 million units sold-to-consumer figure announcement from Sony in the near future.

Edit: @GribbleGrunger, I personally think if Aquamarine (aka GAF's "Resident Waifu") hadn't brought up the "Why are you advertising a banned site? What's your agenda?" comment, you wouldn't be immediately banned like this, considering your subsequent posts there.

For lack of better expression, some of the mods have 'obsession' over her.