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amak11 said:
phaedruss said:
amak11 said:
Oh god really?

Lets look at the current situation.

PC, Android, iOS, PS, Xbox, Nintendo

There isn't room for 3? Bull f'n shurt. There is more platforms in the game than you think. What I see here is a Nintendo hater thread and butthurt fanboys who want NIntendo IPs on their trashy platforms....

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/iwata-explains-why-nintendo-wont-release-its-games-on-other-platforms/1100-6412687/


Trashy platforms? Lol

It was the heat of the moment thought lol. Anyways trashy yes, but Nintendo IPs on other platforms would suffer greatly from zero hardware input. Nintendo games are built for Nintendo hardware, and always has been that way and forever will stay that way until they leave the console market and vault their IPs. 


I mean really there isn't anything special about Nintendo hardware, it's not like there are magical fairies in there or something. Nintendo games would be nintendo games on any platform. Do I think they'll leave the console business I don't know, I think it might be better for them if they did, but maybe this unified OS/architecture thing will do really well.



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amak11 said:
Oh god really?

Lets look at the current situation.

PC, Android, iOS, PS, Xbox, Nintendo

There isn't room for 3? Bull f'n shurt. There is more platforms in the game than you think. What I see here is a Nintendo hater thread and butthurt fanboys who want NIntendo IPs on their trashy platforms....

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/iwata-explains-why-nintendo-wont-release-its-games-on-other-platforms/1100-6412687/

I know you're new here, but them be ban-worthy words.



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Xbox One - PS4 - Wii U - PC

I think last gen proved that there is room on the market for 3 consoles with all 3 of them selling over 80M.....

 

The Wii U just isn't as inovative, or good of a console today as the Wii was 7 years ago, thats it's problem.

It has a great line up of 1st party games, but I think that if the GC generation taught us anything, it taught us that good 1st party exlusives are not enough to cary a console to success.



CommonNinja said:

I think last gen proved that there is room on the market for 3 consoles with all 3 of them selling over 80M.....

 

The Wii U just isn't as inovative, or good of a console today as the Wii was 7 years ago, thats it's problem.

It has a great line up of 1st party games, but I think that if the GC generation taught us anything, it taught us that good 1st party exlusives are not enough to cary a console to success.


Well none of the consoles now are as innovative as the Wii was though. I think its a bit unfair that Nintendos consoles need to be very innovative to be worth having around. The WiiU can do alot of stuff no console has been able to do before. The same can be said about the XB1 and PS4. They are all innovative in their own ways. It might not look like it at first, but they all have the potential to do new and great things.



BlackyCat said:
JazzB1987 said:
MikeRox said:
Nonsense. There is as much room in the market for as many systems as provide a compelling reason to enough people for ownership.

Nintendo's problem is that as great as their games are, the average consumer isn't interested. Wii remotes proved a distraction, but the Wii U controller hasn't and the result is dire hardware sales.


WiiU also has a big naming problem.

Its called Wii. The Wii wave is long gone and people lost interest in the Wii in 2010 or so. Also the name WiiU does not explain if its an accessory or a console. Alot of people still dont understand what WiiU is.


NIntendo miserably failed with the name. I dont know why they thought calling the system WiiU was smart. I mean DS has no "Gameboy" in its title and is the most successful Nintendo handheld ever even tho it was the first handheld to have serious competition (PSP).

The name is just very bad.

New Super Mario Bros worked. So why not  NEW (SUPER) NINTENDO ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM?

Too long, and new super mario bros was a shitty game.. the only one who don't understand that the wii u is a new console are casual gamers. And they were many on the wii ( just dance, wii sport, and shit ). I think it is better for nintendo to keep " real " gamers like during the gamecube/n64 and snes period.. but that may mean they will sell less consoles.


How is New NIntendo Entertainment System to long? Its not even as long as Super Nintendo Entertainment System.

Also not only casuals but also alot if not all mainstreamers (Today 90% of gamers are mainstreamers) dont understand the name. People that just play games when they get alot of media attention. Fifa COD or stuff like Batman (Batman because it surfed on the Batman movie hype wave)  I know several PS360 gamers that needed an explanation.

NSMB being shit is quite irrelevant here but I agree it is shit (sadly) 

Abou the selling less consoles thing...
TBH I actually prefer having less casuals/mainstreamers. The less of them you have the better the games get/the better the community is. No more dumbed down/streamlined crap anymore. Give me excellent (also niche) games only people with good taste play.




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Soundwave said:

 

Generally speaking I think this is a big part of Nintendo's problem too. There just isn't a need/or a desire from the general audience (outside of Nintendo fans) for three consoles in the industry. 

Never really has been. You had the Turbo Grafx 16 for example that was the odd man out in the 16-bit "wars". The Saturn and Dreamcast that Sega tried to desperately shoe in into the business. Then the GameCube. Consistently speaking the "third wheel" console just never works, even if it is a pretty good system. The Dreamcast wasn't terrible, neither was the GameCube either really. 

By and large I think the audience just wants one main platform that has all the majority content that they want. No fuss. But you want to have one decent competitior to keep that lead console maker honest with competetion. 

There just isn't a need for a third. The moment Microsoft came into the business and decided to hang around, is the moment the console business became too crowded for Nintendo. 

Now of course yes, the exception to the rule is the last console cycle where the Wii was able to break out as a blockbuster hit. But it was so different from the other consoles and had such a wide open path in its early years with no competetion for casual gaming. That and it's very difficult to "repeat" one genius idea like the Wiimote, it isn't repeatable, it's catching lightning in a bottle. 

Even with that cycle, really the PS3/360/Wii all selling well maybe only happened for about 2-3 years tops, because the PS3 was anemic it's first two years or so, and Wii was weaker later in its life cycle too. If Microsoft would get out of the business (they don't even need it, which is kind of the frustrating part), then Nintendo would be in a much better position. 

But generally speaking in the game business there's only 2 fairly viable game systems at one time, and even there usually one is notably the "alpha" console compared to the other one. 

So what you are saying right now... Is it should be the PS4 and Wii U since they are the two highest selling new platforms. MS sales aren't doing all that great right now and are pretty much on par with the Wii U but they have less sold in total. It's not looking like they will be taking the lead any time soon either. 

I don't really understand your argument.



Gotta figure out how to set these up lol.

Total nonsense. There is more than enough room for all 3. Nintendo just chooses to be stubborn and now they're paying for it.



VanceIX said:
amak11 said:
Oh god really?

Lets look at the current situation.

PC, Android, iOS, PS, Xbox, Nintendo

There isn't room for 3? Bull f'n shurt. There is more platforms in the game than you think. What I see here is a Nintendo hater thread and butthurt fanboys who want NIntendo IPs on their trashy platforms....

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/iwata-explains-why-nintendo-wont-release-its-games-on-other-platforms/1100-6412687/

I know you're new here, but them be ban-worthy words.

It's an opinion. This entire thread is clickbait



phaedruss said:


I mean really there isn't anything special about Nintendo hardware, it's not like there are magical fairies in there or something. Nintendo games would be nintendo games on any platform. Do I think they'll leave the console business I don't know, I think it might be better for them if they did, but maybe this unified OS/architecture thing will do really well.

There is nothing magical, but Nintendo developers have first hand input on console design and specs. They would have no respect on other platforms and as my link explains that's short term success not long term. Every IP would end up dying as a result and Nintendo would still vault their IPs. 



amak11 said:
phaedruss said:


I mean really there isn't anything special about Nintendo hardware, it's not like there are magical fairies in there or something. Nintendo games would be nintendo games on any platform. Do I think they'll leave the console business I don't know, I think it might be better for them if they did, but maybe this unified OS/architecture thing will do really well.

There is nothing magical, but Nintendo developers have first hand input on console design and specs. They would have no respect on other platforms and as my link explains that's short term success not long term. Every IP would end up dying as a result and Nintendo would still vault their IPs. 


They would be able to take advantage of more powerful hardware, their input obviously isn't worth much to Nintendo at this point. What respect do they need on other platforms? Their games would sell that's all the respect they need.