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Jay70sgamer said:
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Jay70sgamer said:

I'm laughing at you lol I never take this personal ..Im only stated facts you're  the one that's taking it serious lol I only stated facts that can't be disputed and u seem kinda mad about that lol...what have I said that's  not true in my statement lol


What you said that isn't true is that the Wii wasn't a fad.


That's your opinion lol everything else is fact 


If you want to call it an opinion go right ahead.  Fact is that as the prevailing opinion, when people look back on it they will see the Wii and its motion control craze that got people in retirement homes to buy a video game system to help with their physical therapy as a fad in the gaming community.  Fads are not limited to specific numbers they are limited to specific situations.  Motion control gaming right now is a fad, much like 3D television and movies were a fad decades ago.  In a few years when/if it becomes more prominent again... it will still have been a fad in console generation 7.



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Would people here at least concede that consoles are dropping in popularity fast in Japan? Or would you say there isn't any problem there either since both WiiU and PS4 had great first week sales? :)



ChudStudly said:
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Regardless of the cause; there will be a decline in the home console market as well as a massive one in the handheld market and that's my whole point. The 7th gen saw 235-240 million handhelds and had three consoles ending up in the 85-100 million region in lifetime sales, that is unprecedented in console history and was the peak of the console market. Gaming has branched out and splintered into several chunks so even if the total revenue is still growing in gaming; the share going towards consoles will be shrinking a great deal.

And that is called a market contraction and people are actually arguing against the fact that there will be one, some have even claimed there will be growth. At this point, and since long ago; there is absolutely no basis for such claims but a whole lot for the opposite.

Besides; it is still to soon to say anything about MS and Sony consoles, I don't think the One will sell 90 million and I'm not so sure that the PS4 will beat the PS3 either, and if it does; it won't be by much.

The argument was; "look, there has been growth in the past generations, there is no decline". My answer is; past growth is in no way indicative of future and continued growth but there is ample data to support the opposite stance.

As for being concerned; well, neither am I for now, PC gaming has gotten a huge vitamin shot in the past 4-5 years and has actually grown and there are still studios that produce quality software for me to enjoy. What does concern me is companies like Capcom, Bioware and Dice shitting on their legacy and IP's though, and the likes of Dungeon Keeper and other classics being diluted and shredded on mobile platforms. The overall focus on glitz and glamour over actual worthwhile content and good writing and gameplay also worries me. I don't feel that gaming has changed for the better and the majority rules, which means that Angry Bird and the like are setting the bar for profitability and appeal; in turn making less studios (and lesser studios...) go for cheap and simple fare rather than living out ambitions.

All things aside though; the console market is facing a big decline and that was the main point I wanted to come across.


You're a PC gamer and you appear to be heavily biased; of course you think consoles are dying. I hope you'll have enough room for all that crow in 2015.

 

And what crow will that be? What will happen to indicate another generation of growth or at the very least; one without stagnation or decline? Also, nice work on the strawman there; market contraction = dying. The PC market also suffered a market contraction and didn't die, it's all a natural process in any market according to overall movements in various segments and clusters of segments.

Do you also think the 8th gen will show growth, or that it will remain flat and move about 235-240 million handhelds (!) and 270-280 million home consoles? I don't see you contesting the claim in a specific manner, there is no argument at all, actually. You're not telling me why I'm wrong and I'm honestly curious as to what this celestial event in 2015 will be that will bring about an astronomic sales surge for 8th generation consoles (if that is what you're talking about at all).

2015 will grow on 2014, no doubt, I think both the PS4 and One will show healthy year-over year growth, like any other console in its second year on the market and I have never claimed otherwise. I'm still claiming there will be a market contraction though, and all the data supports this claim. And; lastly, you're haven't really made any claims, you're just telling me I'm wrong because.



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Neodegenerate said:

If you want to call it an opinion go right ahead.  Fact is that as the prevailing opinion, when people look back on it they will see the Wii and its motion control craze that got people in retirement homes to buy a video game system to help with their physical therapy as a fad in the gaming community.  Fads are not limited to specific numbers they are limited to specific situations.  Motion control gaming right now is a fad, much like 3D television and movies were a fad decades ago.  In a few years when/if it becomes more prominent again... it will still have been a fad in console generation 7.


Prevailing opinion ....what in your words lol ....no people are gonna look back at Wii as  selling the most home  consoles in generation 7 nothing more or less ...



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Jay70sgamer said:

Prevailing opinion ....what in your words lol ....


If yu want to argue semantics to be able to say "see the Wii wasn't a fad" go right ahead.  The fact though is that so far Wii has been the only gaming system to establish success using motion controls.  Playstation Move, Xbox Kinect, have both failed to catch on.  The Wii U - if the Wii wasn't a fad - would've seen a higher attach rate just based on the Wii's success.  Motion gaming has come and gone in the iteration it existed in during Gen 7.  Motion gaming was and continues to be a fad.  The Wii's success was based solely on motion gaming.  Not my fault you can't add 1 and 1 there.



Neodegenerate said:
Jay70sgamer said:

Prevailing opinion ....what in your words lol ....


If yu want to argue semantics to be able to say "see the Wii wasn't a fad" go right ahead.  The fact though is that so far Wii has been the only gaming system to establish success using motion controls.  Playstation Move, Xbox Kinect, have both failed to catch on.  The Wii U - if the Wii wasn't a fad - would've seen a higher attach rate just based on the Wii's success.  Motion gaming has come and gone in the iteration it existed in during Gen 7.  Motion gaming was and continues to be a fad.  The Wii's success was based solely on motion gaming.  Not my fault you can't add 1 and 1 there.


What does what u wrote have to do with the perception of the wii in the future when people look back whether it use  motion controls or  motion gaming etc etc etc....my point was the wii will be remembered as the home console that sold the most in generation 7 all that other stuff you mentioned is irrelevant lol....not my fault you can't put these thoughts into a proper understanding and to your point why wasn't the attach rate the same from the ps2 to the ps3 half of the user base disappeared....some generations consoles will do well some won't it's as simple as that ....also the wii u isn't based on motion controls so it's different ...it's based on a gamepad and two screen gaming ...different console different results .....



Neodegenerate said:
Jay70sgamer said:

Prevailing opinion ....what in your words lol ....


If yu want to argue semantics to be able to say "see the Wii wasn't a fad" go right ahead.  The fact though is that so far Wii has been the only gaming system to establish success using motion controls.  Playstation Move, Xbox Kinect, have both failed to catch on.  The Wii U - if the Wii wasn't a fad - would've seen a higher attach rate just based on the Wii's success.  Motion gaming has come and gone in the iteration it existed in during Gen 7.  Motion gaming was and continues to be a fad.  The Wii's success was based solely on motion gaming.  Not my fault you can't add 1 and 1 there.


Kinect did catch on tho, it sold over 25 million and was the major reason the 360 peaked so late in 2010/2011.



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Jay70sgamer said:

What does what u wrote have to do with the perception of the wii in the future when people look back whether it use  motion controls or  motion gaming etc etc etc....my point was the wii will be remembered as the home console that sold the most in generation 7 all that other stuff you mentioned is irrelevant lol....not my fault you can't put these thoughts into a proper understanding and to your point why wasn't the attach rate the same from the ps2 to the ps3 half of the user base disappeared....some generations consoles will do well some won't it's as simple as that ....also the wii u isn't based on motion controls so it's different ...it's based on a gamepad and two screen gaming ...different console different results .....


And I disagree with your point entirely.  When people look back at the Wii they will recall it as the motion game system that happened to sell to the massively casual audience that never caught on with anyone else.  It was, in essence, an incredibly successful fad.  I can also tell you why that is.  People who look back at it will look at it from a gaming perspective.  The casual market will not look back at it as anything but that system they played back in the day.  Gamers will remember it as the system that caused the kinect and move things to happen and fail.

Also, I didn't make any of the points on attach rate.



zorg1000 said:

Kinect did catch on tho, it sold over 25 million and was the major reason the 360 peaked so late in 2010/2011.


The Kinect rode the success of the Wii into that timeframe.  The position it is in with the Xbox One shows that it was riding the motion control fad.