osed125 said: Euphoria14 said: You gotta also love how so many here loved the Wii, yet it was full of crap games like they bitch about with the app store or Indie scene. People just like to pretend consoles have been immune to low quality titles being released on them. I think you missed the part where I said that the we have the same amount of indie games compared to last gen, the difference is that now they are getting marketed (heavily) by all 3 console manufactures.

You are one person, so you are obviously not part of the group I was talking about.

Still, there is no problem in indie titles getting marketing to help them make sales.

You want more mid tier games? Where do you think they are going to come from? Growing indie companies, rather than focusing on only the fat cats and making them fatter.

No man's sky is about whatever you make it to  be. There are fleets of ships that you can ally yourself with or make enemies of. There is space combat as well as ground combat. The problen isn't in no man's sky, but in your own narrow definition of what it should be. It's not a cinematic experience, you don't get mmo type quests where you're told to go kill 5 gnolls or something stupid like that.

You do explore planets, you can collect resources for trade if you want. You can do whatever it is you want. The idea of finding a "treasure" is incredibly gamey anyways.

We'll have to wait to make sure of that, but so far, I don't see that happening.

How many very successful indie developers from last gen (Bastion, Super Meat Boy, Braid, etc) started to make "AA" games? I honestly can't think of any, the games they made afterwards are still considered indie, and honestly I don't see that changing because either the risks are too high (they would rather still make small games and avoid the chances of their mid tiers being a flop), or they simple don't have the cash to make "AA" games.

Euphoria14 said: osed125 said: Euphoria14 said: You gotta also love how so many here loved the Wii, yet it was full of crap games like they bitch about with the app store or Indie scene. People just like to pretend consoles have been immune to low quality titles being released on them. I think you missed the part where I said that the we have the same amount of indie games compared to last gen, the difference is that now they are getting marketed (heavily) by all 3 console manufactures. You are one person, so you are obviously not part of the group I was talking about. Still, there is no problem in indie titles getting marketing to help them make sales. You want more mid tier games? Where do you think they are going to come from? Growing indie companies, rather than focusing on only the fat cats and making them fatter.

We'll have to wait to make sure of that, but so far, I don't see that happening.

How many very successful indie developers from last gen (Bastion, Super Meat Boy, Braid, etc) started to make "AA" games? I honestly can't think of any, the games they made afterwards are still considered indie, and honestly I don't see that changing because either the risks are too high (they would rather still make small games and avoid the chances of their mid tiers being a flop), or they simple don't have the cash to make "AA" games.

No man's sky is about whatever you make it to  be. There are fleets of ships that you can ally yourself with or make enemies of. There is space combat as well as ground combat. The problen isn't in no man's sky, but in your own narrow definition of what it should be. It's not a cinematic experience, you don't get mmo type quests where you're told to go kill 5 gnolls or something stupid like that.

You do explore planets, you can collect resources for trade if you want. You can do whatever it is you want. The idea of finding a "treasure" is incredibly gamey anyways.

Euphoria14 said: You gotta also love how so many here loved the Wii, yet it was full of crap games like they bitch about with the app store or Indie scene. People just like to pretend consoles have been immune to low quality titles being released on them.

I love the shit out of my Wii, but I fully acknowledge that it has mountains of shovelware. The most popular console of every gen is the home of mountains of crap. Compare the game library of PS2 to Wii and you'll see what I mean.

It will take more time before a small company like those dump $10-$20 million into a project that could totally destroy them. Also, what is wrong with Transistor? Games like that are great.

Hell, we need more games like Castle Crashers too.

Give it more time. Everything takes time.

Of course you only see people on the internet saying that. That was the point of my post. It is in regards to VGChartz. Mainly in the days before the Vita users migrated to the Official Vita thread.

In the real world the Vita problem is that it costs $200 to buy it and then you need to spend $40-$50 to buy a game and also need to buy overpriced memory cards, meanwhile people having phones that give them great gaming for $1-$5. Vita is still stupidly expensive for what it is. Sony should revamp it entirely, with an Android based OS and give it full access to the Play store. I would love to move over to the Vita to play Brave Frontier instgead of my iPhone and it's smaller screen. Not going to happen though...

I love mine, especially for remote play and free PS+ titles. Can't beat free.