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Chris Hu said:
I would like to see how the people that are quick to judge him as a pedophile even though there is little to no evidence supporting that claim would have turned out if Joe Jackson would have been their father.


Because he was weird, and an easy victim for whatever horror stories because of some of the weirdness. Lets be honest if there was a story going around about jackson in the late 90s that he was going to attach fish gills to his throat and live underwater with fish it could have made it into most newspapers as fact before an eyebrow was raised to its credibility. The fact that the guy was weird doesn't make him a convicted criminal.... only the law does that, not rumours.

But yeah... MJ will always be the King of Pop to me, no one ever really rivaled him in terms of both musical genius and dancing ability imo, as for his personal life and taking the piss out of it, isn't that bandwagon pretty damn overly full now?



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hunter_alien said:
adriane23 said:
 

"Robson testified that he believed Jackson had a "sexual interest in women," and that he had never seen "anything that suggested pedophilia" at Neverland.[56] Jackson's multiple residences were searched multiple times by multiple agencies over a period of days, without any child pornography ever being found. The FBI analyzed sixteen computers and found "nothing notable" according to their files."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Michael_Jackson#Pornography

And don't give me any BS about Wikipedia not being a credible enough source. And yes, the full portion of that Wikipedia entryu does state that they found a few questionable things in his home of a sexual nature. It also revelaed the "victim" was lying about events that occurred.

It seems to me like you latched onto "kiddy porn" (interesting choice of words by the way) a long time ago and just ignored the facts and logic for years. If there was actual child porn found in his home he would've been charged and convicted of possessing child pornography regardless of whether they could prove that he was a molester. Did you even comprehend what you wrote? Did you think that they found child pornography in his home and was like, "Aha! We caught you red handed of a crime, but we're just going to add it to the evidence for the molestation charge instead of introducing a new concrete charge of child pornography possession......Because we're morons."

Michael Jackson was a strange man and he even had questionable things in his home (if you consider homosexual things questionable in 2014), but there was no evidence that he molested children other than people saying that he did.

EDIT: Here's a little more light reading for you.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-thomson/one-of-the-most-shameful_b_610258.html


Kiddy porn is the most frequently used sinonim for that filth that is pedophile pornography. Also it is Wikipedia, like it or not, just because you point it out to me, it doesnt make any difference.

He was a drug addict and he had underage male modeling magazines in his house, even in his bathroom. No matter what fans believe, how the media wants to shed positive light on him, after his death, there is no denieing IMO. But hey, the fact that a carcrash of a humam being is the author shouldent distract you from enjoying his work

 

PS: Huffington Post... Here, take my badge of reliability my dear friend.

You still dance around the FACT that after multiple searches, there was no evidence of child pornography found in his home. That was in the court case and is now public record. Unless you can find new evidence that no agency has found, you're either in denial, or just lying.



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hunter_alien said:
Everything points at the fact that he was a pedophile... should have died earlier if its true.


I don't care if he's freaking Hitler,  all I care is that he made good music.

Aleister crowley is one of my favorite poets and he is normally called "wickedest man in the world",  I don't care if that fartface had ritual orgies and summoned Satan for the lols, his poetry had huge influence on my writing.

You focus on the art not the artist, artists are just humans,  they're boring, the art is the essence.



hunter_alien said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
hunter_alien said:
Everything points at the fact that he was a pedophile... should have died earlier if its true.

I don't see how there can be any doubt that it was true. Dude was an incredible artist, probably the GOAT, but he was a pedo and a creep in general. His death didn't bother me at all. Drug related deaths usually don't, but sometimes there is a twinge of tradgedy to them. Heath Ledger, Corey Haim to name a couple. His though.. nope. If there's a hell, he's burning in it right now.


I have no idea. And when you call them out, the MJ Deffense Force jumps to your neck Totally agree with you, there are plenty of quality human beings that die of drug related isssues. MJ was NOT one of them.

There's a defense force for anything. Hell, people held rallies for Joe Paterno.



Just let the man rest already.



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Jackson's estate is now $2 to $3 billion in profit and growing every year cashing in on legacy and second album release and more on the way. Jackson will still be relevant many years after his death just like Elvis, Hendrix, Kobain, Tupac and other dead famous celebrities. Jackson's death was the best career move and he avoided embarrassment from cancelling his 50 London concerts and his half a billion dollar debt was erased within months of his death.



ganoncrotch said:
Chris Hu said:
I would like to see how the people that are quick to judge him as a pedophile even though there is little to no evidence supporting that claim would have turned out if Joe Jackson would have been their father.


Because he was weird, and an easy victim for whatever horror stories because of some of the weirdness. Lets be honest if there was a story going around about jackson in the late 90s that he was going to attach fish gills to his throat and live underwater with fish it could have made it into most newspapers as fact before an eyebrow was raised to its credibility. The fact that the guy was weird doesn't make him a convicted criminal.... only the law does that, not rumours.

But yeah... MJ will always be the King of Pop to me, no one ever really rivaled him in terms of both musical genius and dancing ability imo, as for his personal life and taking the piss out of it, isn't that bandwagon pretty damn overly full now?


If there where even somewhat of credible evidence I might be somewhat quick to judge him also, but during his lifetime he hung out with 1,000 of kids yet there where only two people that seriously accused him of child molestation and neither case lead to any charges.  Also if he really would have been guilty he could have easily pulled a Roman Polanski and fled the country to avoid facing any charges. 



There is nothing wrong with linking a wikipedia article to support your argument.  Especially since that page has 75 notes that lead to further articles so its not like somebody wrote it without doing a lot of research.



The child molestation accusations were based on tabloid media witch hunt stories and extortionists making stuff up, the credibility of the claims must be dismissed. Throwing mud around sticks even if it is not true. Jackson despite being found innocent, his reputation was already destroyed.



LudicrousSpeed said:
hunter_alien said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
hunter_alien said:
Everything points at the fact that he was a pedophile... should have died earlier if its true.

I don't see how there can be any doubt that it was true. Dude was an incredible artist, probably the GOAT, but he was a pedo and a creep in general. His death didn't bother me at all. Drug related deaths usually don't, but sometimes there is a twinge of tradgedy to them. Heath Ledger, Corey Haim to name a couple. His though.. nope. If there's a hell, he's burning in it right now.


I have no idea. And when you call them out, the MJ Deffense Force jumps to your neck Totally agree with you, there are plenty of quality human beings that die of drug related isssues. MJ was NOT one of them.

There's a defense force for anything. Hell, people held rallies for Joe Paterno.


Paterno got railroaded I'm pretty sure there where plenty more people that where involved in the Sandusky scandal cover up.