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Mr Puggsly said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

Don't trust the media.

You cannot blame religion for being used as a scapegoat. I mean haven't you ever wondered why Christians for example killed people in the Crusades, when the commandments not only expressely forbid killing people but also state that one should love their enemies? Extermist aren't made by the religion they hide behind, thus if you get rid of religion they will simply hide behind something else, it literally solves nothing, but it gets rid of the human right to belief. Just like 9/11 made Americans trade their privacy for security.

Its only harming the innocent.

I kinda agree, but there is a particular religion that seems to keep a certain part of the world in the dark ages.

Would that part of the world be better if they suddenly rejected a popular religion in that area? It couldn't be any worse.

Russia rejected a religion that had kept them in the dark ages and turned towards a particularly brutal and oppressive form of institutional atheism, and look how that turned out. I would say things got worse for the world as a result. And the cultural revolution was pretty bloody shitty for a lot of people in China, because of the same brand of institutionalised atheism.

So it is by no means a foregone conclusion that removing religion from the social equation would make things better, or even no worse. At least the fundamentals of religion, including Islam, exhort people to a virtuous life. Lots of other ideologies are devoid of those fundamentals and in some cases only selfishness and greed lie at their core. For religion to be harmful it needsd to be actively corrupted by those hungry for power. For some other philosophies there is no need for someone to find a way to corrupt it, because it is already corrupt.



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mornelithe said:
cannonballZ said:
Atheism will be the new religion in the future, they will join forces with scientologists and conquer the world.

Atheism is not a religion, since it quite literally means without God. 

“In fact, "atheism" is a term that should not even exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a "non-astrologer" or a "non-alchemist." We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.” - Sam Harris

A very good point by Sam Harris. No religion or ideology should ever be illegal, rational thinking, I hope, will grow though on the expense of religion.



Puppyroach said:
mornelithe said:
cannonballZ said:
Atheism will be the new religion in the future, they will join forces with scientologists and conquer the world.

Atheism is not a religion, since it quite literally means without God. 

“In fact, "atheism" is a term that should not even exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a "non-astrologer" or a "non-alchemist." We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.” - Sam Harris

A very good point by Sam Harris. No religion or ideology should ever be illegal, rational thinking, I hope, will grow though on the expense of religion.

Agree 100%.  I may not like how the tenets of faith have been used for the purposes of great harm and evil, but forcing people to abandon those beliefs isn't the appropriate course of action.



binary solo said:
Ka-pi96 said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

Laws that protect freedom of belief. I personally believe, and is more or less scientifically and legally understood to that Athiesm is a belief just like every other religion so a law forcing you to be atheist would be no different then a law forcing you to be Christian. Unless the first amendment evaporates, it won't happen.

In response to OP, Atheism causes conflict too, Agnoticism is the only true neutral, and tolerance is the only way differing opinions can be reconciled. A law that bans religion will cause even more problems.


I disagree. Some 'athiest' people are fanatics just like religious fanatics. But for true athiests it is just a lack of belief not a belief itself.

Semanitc rubbish. To be a true atheist you have to have thought about the concept of god and religion and come to a conclusion that God doesn't exist and that religion is all made up. This perspective is based on assumptions and beliefs when it comes down to it. for instance the belief that things can only be true if there is a way to measure or observe it with the senses or with scientific instrumentation, i.e. nothing exists outside of what is physically observable.

The true atheist is someone who has done a lot of deep thinking about the reality of things. The casual atheist is the one who simplistically thinks it is a case of not believing.

Technically speaking nobody is a true athiest, because being a true atheiest means that you know for a fact that a higher power dne which is in impossible. since it cannot be proven nor unproven.



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Religion won't ever be illegal in the U.S. Decline in popularity, sure, but outsright illegal, no.



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Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Religion has been used as an instrument by the wealthy to maintain power and control by spreading fear, ignorance and propaganda to brainwash the masses.

Literally, everything has, singling out religion just because its an easy target is the action of a simpleton who understands nothing.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

Puppyroach said:
mornelithe said:
cannonballZ said:
Atheism will be the new religion in the future, they will join forces with scientologists and conquer the world.

Atheism is not a religion, since it quite literally means without God. 

“In fact, "atheism" is a term that should not even exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a "non-astrologer" or a "non-alchemist." We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.” - Sam Harris

A very good point by Sam Harris. No religion or ideology should ever be illegal, rational thinking, I hope, will grow though on the expense of religion.

There is nothing about Religion that contradicts rational thinking.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

Got to page two before the expected "let's hope it becomes illegal!!!" "it sadly won't happen" and "religious people are irrational/brainwashed/poopyheads" nonsense showed up.

Anyways, once any belief like the OP is talking about becomes illegal in the way OP is talking about I'll be certain the world has finally become like one of the dystopian societies in science fiction novels.



Something drastic would have to happen to completely forego the Bill of Rights to make it illegal.

I pray that never happens in the US (in my lifetime at least).



Marks said:
Why would it?

Side note I love how atheists can say they wish religion would disappear (or become illegal or whatever), and it isn't considered politically incorrect at all. You're as bad as homophobes if you say that type of shit, you're religionphobes.
If something isn't hurting you, let it go.

They are hurting me.  I can't buy beer till noon on Sundays and liquor stores are closed on Sundays... 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law

"Many states prohibit selling alcohol for on and off-premise sales in one form or another on Sundays at some restricted time, under the idea that people should be in church on Sunday morning, or at least not drinking."

"Another feature of blue laws in the United States restricts the purchase of particular items on Sundays. Some of these laws restrict the ability to buy cars, groceries, office supplies, and housewares among other things. Though most of these laws have been relaxed or repealed in most states, they are still enforced in some other states."

"Blue laws may also prohibit retail activity on days other than Sunday. In Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Maine (which was previously part of Massachusetts),[8] for example, blue laws dating to the Puritans of the 17th century still prohibit most retail stores, including grocery stores, from opening on Thanksgiving and Christmas."

Once again I get to say fuck the puritans in this thread.

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