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Tales and Persona still coming to PS3. FFXV and KH3 coming to PS4. Likely Tales and Persona to then hit PS4 in the next 2 years. These are amongst the biggest Japan-developed franchises... why you complain, fool. Western console market is enormous, of course they're priority.



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lilwingman said:
Tales and Persona still coming to PS3. FFXV and KH3 coming to PS4. Likely Tales and Persona to then hit PS4 in the next 2 years. These are amongst the biggest Japan-developed franchises... why you complain, fool. Western console market is enormous, of course they're priority.

All third-party.

pokoko said:
Huh?

For the Vita, Sony has backed projects like Freedom Wars, Soul Sacrifice, Gravity Rush, and Oreshika. With the PS4, we know that they're co-developing Deep Down, Bloodborne, and at least one more.

They're using a different model than in the west, sure, but even in the west, Sony has a long history of co-developing games with third-party studios. That's not abandonment.

Personally, I think this gen will see less wholly owned studios and more contracted development situations. Both Nintendo and Microsoft are doing the same.

I see what you're saying, but even then their library of AAA Japansese games is relatively meager. Co-developing is fine, but still most of those games are small to medium sized projects (with the exception of Deep Down/Bloodborne, which are both firmly third-party, not really co-developed). 



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Say what you want about it, but it does seem like for better or worse Sony has shifted their focus westward. They haven't abandoned the east altogether, but they've shifted their focus from it. Probably because JRPGs are becoming less popular in the west, so they can't please both crowds by just making JRPGs like they used to be able to.



VanceIX said:

Sony, in previous generations, came guns blazing in Japan with Playstation designed for Japan first and the rest of the world second. Now, there are very few first-party Japanese titles from Sony compared to the PS1/PS2/eary-life-PS3. This has lead to abysmal performance for the PS4 in Japan, and it is doubtful that the PS4 will come anywhere near the success that the other consoles did.

Hell, they even jumped ship on the Vita, which is doing relatively well in Japan. Sure, we have Freedom Wars coming, but very little from Sony past that. They just don't care about the Japanese market. They focus completely on western games, most of which are your copy-and-paste Zombie or shooter or zombie shooter, with little to no JRPGs and other Japanese games that they built their legacy on.

You may say that the Japanese market doesn't care about home consoles, which may be true. However, there isn't much there for them to care about. Little games dedicated towards the Japanese market at launch, with a bleak outlook for the next year as well. 

Sony really messed up in Japan.


They just know two things:

1) The Japanese are moving away from home consoles towards handheld.

2) They are all but guarunteed to dominate there this gen.

Now it is true that the Wii U is doing better there right now, but they still have yet to release any of their big guns.  NA is just a bigger market that they needed back dearly.  Once Bloodborne is out we will see...



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3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

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Eddie_Raja said:
VanceIX said:

Sony, in previous generations, came guns blazing in Japan with Playstation designed for Japan first and the rest of the world second. Now, there are very few first-party Japanese titles from Sony compared to the PS1/PS2/eary-life-PS3. This has lead to abysmal performance for the PS4 in Japan, and it is doubtful that the PS4 will come anywhere near the success that the other consoles did.

Hell, they even jumped ship on the Vita, which is doing relatively well in Japan. Sure, we have Freedom Wars coming, but very little from Sony past that. They just don't care about the Japanese market. They focus completely on western games, most of which are your copy-and-paste Zombie or shooter or zombie shooter, with little to no JRPGs and other Japanese games that they built their legacy on.

You may say that the Japanese market doesn't care about home consoles, which may be true. However, there isn't much there for them to care about. Little games dedicated towards the Japanese market at launch, with a bleak outlook for the next year as well. 

Sony really messed up in Japan.


They just know two things:

1) The Japanese are moving away from home consoles towards handheld.

2) They are all but guarunteed to dominate there this gen.

Now it is true that the Wii U is doing better there right now, but they still have yet to release any of their big guns.  NA is just a bigger market that they needed back dearly.  Once Bloodborne is out we will see...

1. And you know why Japan has abandoned home consoles? Because both Sony and Nintendo have completely botched this gen and to a much smaller extent last gen. Sony and Nintendo have always been Japan first, rest of the world second, and the Japanese took great pride in their companies. With Sony devoting almost all their resources to the west for the PS4, even delaying the Japanese release by almost half a year, it's no surprise that the Japanese feel that console gaming has moved on from them. And don't tell me that the Wii U showed that the console market was dead already, the Wii U flopped everywhere, not just Japan.

Sony released a boatload of mediocre games on the PS3 and Vita with niche support from third-party devs, resulting in the Japanese just losing interest. While Sony was busy devoting the most funding to shooters like Uncharted or Killzone or Last of Us, the Japanese got little known games like the White Knight Chronicles from Sony, absolutely nothing compared to Rogue Galaxy or Legend of Dragoon or ICO or Shadow of the Collosus. Even major third-party devs fucked up by releasing mediocre games on the PS3. SE released three half-baked Final Fantasys in a row, and didn't even bother with Kingdom Hearts 3. It's no wonder the Japanese got fed up with the market.

2. Sure, they'll dominate, but they won't reach near the level of success that the PS2 did. Japan was a major facillitator for both the PS2 and PS3, and no Sony has turned their backs on them.



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HylianSwordsman said:
Say what you want about it, but it does seem like for better or worse Sony has shifted their focus westward. They haven't abandoned the east altogether, but they've shifted their focus from it. Probably because JRPGs are becoming less popular in the west, so they can't please both crowds by just making JRPGs like they used to be able to.

Funny when people start off like they are about to say something really smart then seemingly do the opposite. 

Final fantasy 13.... which was actually the only proper JRPG released in the whole of the last generation.

  • sold 5M+ in the west on the PS3/360 (not including japan sales)
  • in comparison; FF7, FF10, FF12 sold (including japan sales) 9.7M, 8M and 6M respectively. 
  • FF13 (not including the spin-offs) is the 3rd best selling FF game ever.

So, care to share where or how you arrived at your conclusion? The fact of the matter is that the japs simply didn't adjust to HD development considering how expensive it is. Thats why we aren't seeing franchises like dragon quest, tales of (series), Star ocean....etc. You can't say the west is not interested/ has lost interest in JRPGs if theer aren't even any JRPGs on the HD consoles.

In addition to this, whats actually funny is that SQEX has been on a downward quality spiral since FF9 since way back on the PS2. So they aren't even making what JRPG fans would consider stellar FF games but yet they are still selling well.



As someone living here, I don't see it as abandoning, Japan is a shrinking market for home consoles and handhelds are also on the decline, putting japan first would be detrimental to the success of the ps4, as it stands its only been out a few months here but nothing really japan centric has been released, yet. that will change over time as launch windowd are usually devoid of titles for all systems.
on the other hand the wealth of ps3 and psvita titles released and for sale here contradicts your argunent entirely, Sony hasn't abandoned japan, it has just done the intelligent move to put a much larger, better receptive country in priority to ensure an early success, all signs suggest that has worked fine.

To be accurate, i would say, Sony hasn't abandoned Japan, it has just made it less of a focus because Japan is quantifiably abandoning console gaming as a whole.

 

Why are they abandoning traditional consoles in Japan?  the one true,  correct and accurate answer is smartphones. 



It's ironic since some fanboys claims the sony consoles are the home of "japanese games".



Tamron said:

As someone living here, I don't see it as abandoning, Japan is a shrinking market for home consoles and handhelds are also on the decline, putting japan first would be detrimental to the success of the ps4, as it stands its only been out a few months here but nothing really japan centric has been released, yet. that will change over time as launch windowd are usually devoid of titles for all systems.
on the other hand the wealth of ps3 and psvita titles released and for sale here contradicts your argunent entirely, Sony hasn't abandoned japan, it has just done the intelligent move to put a much larger, better receptive country in priority to ensure an early success, all signs suggest that has worked fine.

To be accurate, i would say, Sony hasn't abandoned Japan, it has just made it less of a focus because Japan is quantifiably abandoning console gaming as a whole.

 

Why are they abandoning traditional consoles in Japan?  the one true,  correct and accurate answer is smartphones. 

Just gonna post this again

VanceIX said:
Eddie_Raja said:

They just know two things:

1) The Japanese are moving away from home consoles towards handheld.

2) They are all but guarunteed to dominate there this gen.

Now it is true that the Wii U is doing better there right now, but they still have yet to release any of their big guns.  NA is just a bigger market that they needed back dearly.  Once Bloodborne is out we will see...

1. And you know why Japan has abandoned home consoles? Because both Sony and Nintendo have completely botched this gen and to a much smaller extent last gen. Sony and Nintendo have always been Japan first, rest of the world second, and the Japanese took great pride in their companies. With Sony devoting almost all their resources to the west for the PS4, even delaying the Japanese release by almost half a year, it's no surprise that the Japanese feel that console gaming has moved on from them. And don't tell me that the Wii U showed that the console market was dead already, the Wii U flopped everywhere, not just Japan.

Sony released a boatload of mediocre games on the PS3 and Vita with niche support from third-party devs, resulting in the Japanese just losing interest. While Sony was busy devoting the most funding to shooters like Uncharted or Killzone or Last of Us, the Japanese got little known games like the White Knight Chronicles from Sony, absolutely nothing compared to Rogue Galaxy or Legend of Dragoon or ICO or Shadow of the Collosus. Even major third-party devs fucked up by releasing mediocre games on the PS3. SE released three half-baked Final Fantasys in a row, and didn't even bother with Kingdom Hearts 3. It's no wonder the Japanese got fed up with the market.

2. Sure, they'll dominate, but they won't reach near the level of success that the PS2 did. Japan was a major facillitator for both the PS2 and PS3, and no Sony has turned their backs on them.



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Intrinsic said:

Funny when people start off like they are about to say something really smart then seemingly do the opposite. 

Final fantasy 13.... which was actually the only proper JRPG released in the whole of the last generation.

 

  • sold 5M+ in the west on the PS3/360 (not including japan sales)
  • in comparison; FF7, FF10, FF12 sold (including japan sales) 9.7M, 8M and 6M respectively. 
  • FF13 (not including the spin-offs) is the 3rd best selling FF game ever.

 

So, care to share where or how you arrived at your conclusion? The fact of the matter is that the japs simply didn't adjust to HD development considering how expensive it is. Thats why we aren't seeing franchises like dragon quest, tales of (series), Star ocean....etc. You can't say the west is not interested/ has lost interest in JRPGs if theer aren't even any JRPGs on the HD consoles.

In addition to this, whats actually funny is that SQEX has been on a downward quality spiral since FF9 since way back on the PS2. So they aren't even making what JRPG fans would consider stellar FF games but yet they are still selling well.


How? How about that FFXIII is just one game. It's not that we're totally without interest, but the west cares a lot more about WRPGs, not JRPGs. Cold, hard truth. Skyrim sold 17 million copies, not including digital. The entire Final Fantasy XIII trilogy on both systems sold about 11.5 million. Trust me, I wish I could say the west is still interested in JRPGs. They're my favorite genre, and I live in the west. But it just isn't so. The genre is on a massive decline. It hurts, I know, but it's the truth. The genre isn't dead or anything, but it's dwindled in popularity enough that 1st party is supporting it less, and 3rd party entries are fairly scarce too, compared to the SNES and PS eras.