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Intrinsic on 19 June 2014

You are absolutely right. A console coming in second or third doesn't mean its a failure. There is a catch though.

Lets take the PS4/XB1 for instance. Right now, the PS4 has a global lead of around 2:1. (Its less but generally close). Now this early in the cycle, and 2:1 basically meaning 8M vs 4M, isn't actually so bad. But what happens in 2yrs? When 2:1 could mean 50M vs 25M, that is when things get bad. Cause at that point, whoever is at 25M loses every ounce of bargaing power to secure any kinda exclusive content. Its not about moneyhatting, its that because of how much better the competition is doing, itr would cost you more to make anything exclusive to your console. Even DLC.

Then it gets worse, you start to see publishers going exclusive on the better selling console, which ultimately means less games for the lesser selling one which in turn means an increase in sales rate of the better selling one. That is what happened during the PS2/XB era.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 19 June 2014

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Acevil on 19 June 2014
VanceIX said:

Absolutely agree. All the consoles were technically "winners" last generation. Whether or not that's good in terms of competition is a completely different story.

But in this case, I think we can easily say that the Wii U has lost. There's no way it turns much of a profit, if at all.


Wouldn't that mean PS3 was a huge loser last generation?



 

VanceIX on 19 June 2014
Acevil said:
VanceIX said:

Absolutely agree. All the consoles were technically "winners" last generation. Whether or not that's good in terms of competition is a completely different story.

But in this case, I think we can easily say that the Wii U has lost. There's no way it turns much of a profit, if at all.


Wouldn't that mean PS3 was a huge loser last generation?

PS3 became profitable in 2010, and is going to be out on the market perhaps longer than the Wii U.



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Acevil on 19 June 2014
VanceIX said:
Acevil said:
VanceIX said:

Absolutely agree. All the consoles were technically "winners" last generation. Whether or not that's good in terms of competition is a completely different story.

But in this case, I think we can easily say that the Wii U has lost. There's no way it turns much of a profit, if at all.


Wouldn't that mean PS3 was a huge loser last generation?

PS3 became profitable in 2010, and is going to be out on the market perhaps longer than the Wii U.

PS3 still has huge huge sunk costs associated with it. I think it is safe to say that it didn't and won't gain back the loss they made. However they recovered the brand in the end (Which is vital to the PS4's Success).  If you are going the idea that Total Profit=Success....PS3 is far from it, same with the original XBOX. 



 

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Dulfite on 19 June 2014
MegaManX said:
Dulfite said:
The Wii u is selling more (by a lot) than the one right now. The Wii u is also a good amount ahead of the one.


True, except your talking about a week in which the Wii U has it's first full week with it's biggest release more than likely of this generation while the current week up on the front page is counting the week before a permanent 20% percent discount off the price of the console, and even then it's <50K.


Actually I'm talking about two weeks now. And for both of consoles, they both had ONE game that came out each that was massive. WD didn't move much on xboxone, not nearly as much as it did on ps4 and not nearly as much as MK8 moved wii u's. It wasn't like the xboxone didn't have anything, it just ended up not doing nearly as well as the thing wii U had (mk8).



VanceIX on 19 June 2014
Acevil said:
VanceIX said:
Acevil said:
VanceIX said:

Absolutely agree. All the consoles were technically "winners" last generation. Whether or not that's good in terms of competition is a completely different story.

But in this case, I think we can easily say that the Wii U has lost. There's no way it turns much of a profit, if at all.


Wouldn't that mean PS3 was a huge loser last generation?

PS3 became profitable in 2010, and is going to be out on the market perhaps longer than the Wii U.

PS3 still has huge huge sunk costs associated with it. I think it is safe to say that it didn't and won't gain back the loss they made. However they recovered the brand in the end (Which is vital to the PS4's Success).  If you are going the idea that Total Profit=Success....PS3 is far from it, same with the original XBOX. 

Can you send me a link showing that the PS3 hasn't recovered most, if not all of the original losses? Much appreciated.



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SjOne on 19 June 2014

As long as it has classics it'll always be a success



pbroy on 19 June 2014

If you lose, you lose. Just like sperm, there is only one winner. The rest have failed.

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Acevil on 19 June 2014
VanceIX said:
Acevil said:
VanceIX said:
Acevil said:
VanceIX said:

Absolutely agree. All the consoles were technically "winners" last generation. Whether or not that's good in terms of competition is a completely different story.

But in this case, I think we can easily say that the Wii U has lost. There's no way it turns much of a profit, if at all.


Wouldn't that mean PS3 was a huge loser last generation?

PS3 became profitable in 2010, and is going to be out on the market perhaps longer than the Wii U.

PS3 still has huge huge sunk costs associated with it. I think it is safe to say that it didn't and won't gain back the loss they made. However they recovered the brand in the end (Which is vital to the PS4's Success).  If you are going the idea that Total Profit=Success....PS3 is far from it, same with the original XBOX. 

Can you send me a link showing that the PS3 hasn't recovered most, if not all of the original losses? Much appreciated.

Given that financial numbers are hidden will within division, and they have never truly done an amazing job of showcasing how much is lost per console. Same with Microsoft sadly. I will showcase the division however. Just please hold on for a bit, for me to dig up the information from past threads we have done on this site or neogaf. If anyother has the link off hand please post away.