You know what, one of my friends was actually charged by the RIAA for piracy (she is a college girl who was using Limewire in the dorms) and she got a $3000 settlement.  Hell, that would be a small price to pay for all the songs I have downloaded and DVD's I have copied.  Those are definitely worth $3000 to me.  Yet I didn't have to pay for ANY of them.  Life is great isn't it!

The RIAA has their thumbs up their asses when it comes to piracy.  The amount of piracy that goes unchecked in this country is insane.  The only effective solution to piracy is offering the same services for a small fee, like Itunes, coupled with the average person's fear of doing something illegal based on anecdotal reports, etc. of things happening to others.

Sorry guy. I was not making fun of anybody, just saying that we are not in the same period of our lives, meaning we don't have the same vision about money.

But if your only argument is attacking your Interlocutor's English, it's vain. I am not an english native speaker and I speak fluently japanese, german, french and chinese. For notice.

akuma587 said:

You know what, one of my friends was actually charged by the RIAA for piracy (she is a college girl who was using Limewire in the dorms) and she got a $3000 settlement. Hell, that would be a small price to pay for all the songs I have downloaded and DVD's I have copied. Those are definitely worth $3000 to me. Yet I didn't have to pay for ANY of them. Life is great isn't it!

The RIAA has their thumbs up their asses when it comes to piracy. The amount of piracy that goes unchecked in this country is insane. The only effective solution to piracy is offering the same services for a small fee, like Itunes, coupled with the average person's fear of doing something illegal based on anecdotal reports, etc. of things happening to others.

I see. So you prefer to pay the settlement then to follow the law. That's your decision, not mine. But I respect your "choice".

And sorry about your friend. Mine had this kind of troubles too

 Yes, obviously money must mean less to you, Mister Six-Figure, Multilingual, Fully-Matured Adult Lawyer Posting on an Internet Forum.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to commit MIND-RAPE on a few more hapless victims...

Don't feel sorry for her. If you pirate stupidly you deserve to get caught. I still tease her about it. But guess what? She has no qualms about me giving her copies of the music I have downloaded illegally, although she won't download it for herself. Seems like even a fine of $3000 wasn't enough to prevent her from pirating in some shape or form. Mission accomplished RIAA, or something.

Sorry girl, but it's the contrary. Money has more value to me, because I know the value of work. That's why I respect creation and creators. Sorry that you can not understand such a concept.

Also, I am not the one who used the term "mind rapind" at first, you are. So I don't understand why you keep throwing this expression to me...

 I've graduated, so discuss it with me.

Copyright infringement is normally a civil tort - its only recently become a crime, and usually only pertains to higher levels of copyright infringement. If you are implying that copyright infringement is normally a crime, you are not only wrong, but you are bullshitting. You don't even care about the truth, and would rather just spout nonsense without any worry for the truth.

Seconldy, copyright infringement does not deny anyone else the use of a good. If I steal a pair of pants, no one else can buy that pair and there is a material loss for the good. Piracy can at best have "projected" losses, and that's about the best they can do. Sure you can point to Dreamcast as a company being killed by it, but that is about as much as a stretch as you can pull. Sega was already dying, and the PS2 was the death blow that finished the job. Piracy was the sissy slap that everyone seems to blame, rather than the really obvious problems.

Thirdly, intellectual property is not a god given right - it is a limitation on your your rights for the benefit of others. IP is not designed for their individual gain, it is supposed to benefit the whole of society. That's a very understandable idea - the arts and sciences advancement benefits everyone, and we should encourage them. However, when it no longer advances arts and sciences, and rather proves to damage society more than it benefits, the moral justification for IP goes down the drain. You can bitch and moan about how it's illegal, but as someone who claims to be an adult your knowledge that such black and white statements are nonsense seems to call that into question. It was technically illegal for blacks to marry whites, it was technically illegal for people to receive blowjobs, but it would be a stretch to call that immoral. Copyright infringement could theoretically deny someone that sale, but judging from the dozen or so studies on the subject, people who used napster were more likely to buy more CDs. The average person who got into copyright infringement was using it as a way to find new music. If they weren't going to buy a CD, as you are arguing college students don't, then it was probably unlikely that they would regardless.

I know you are trying to call all moral gray areas as black and white, but that is not how reality works. 
Grow up and get off your high horse. I have a job (well actually I work two jobs), and work with kids who can see through your tripe. 

First.I have NEVER said I knew about your country's legislation, only that in my own country it was considered as a crime.

Also, you contradict yourself : you said it is now considered as a crime by your law. meaning it DOES is a crime. And whether it's only a civil tort or not doesn't change it's nature, it's still illegal, isn't it ?

Secondly, OF COURSE, copyright infringement does not deny other people the use of something you stole. But doesnt it deny YOU the right to use (steal) it in the first place ? I don't see your point here.

Also, see the PSP's case : high sells for system and zero for software. That's, FOR SURE, is good for video games and gamers. Thanks.

Thirdly, the fact that you compare the right to use piracy to the right to marry black people or do blowjobs is laughable. We are not talking human rights here. Some people DID create these games : they DID protect it, and they DID wanted to SELL it. They are the one in who try to protect their right.

Yeah, there also used to be a time when piracy was legal. Of course, society evolved and now protect creators and creation. Lucky us.

If they wanted to give it to you, it would be free, wouldn't it ?

Moral is of course not white and black, but don't try to justify your own immorality. Just assume it.

Actually if the games industry follows the pattern of the music industry it's likely No More Hereos would of saw increased sales do to piracy.

Piracy in music is a zero gain or loss, though it does seem to do a bit of "communism" by distributed some buys away from the more popular and bigger songs and instead help those sales go to smaller lesser known bands.

There is a reason why the bigger companies and bands like Metallica were against things like Napster while little known norweigian bands and all sorts of other bands supported it and even advertised their songs for free.

Itunes REALLY screwed them as well.  The big companies were so afraid piracy was going to spread to everyone (because they're paranoid) they made a deal with apple to sell songs for 99 cents each, which they've tried to get out of nearly right after they made it.

Itunes has actually lost them revenue.   

 Where do you get off judging others for pirating anyways?  Did the RIAA appoint you or something?  Seriously, don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.  I am sure all of us have done much worse things than pirating music. 

Using the same rigid moral standards as you, if you ever had premarital sex, you are going to be severely punished for it, not only in the Judeo-Christian moral system, but in most of the moral systems around the world.  Have you had pre-marital sex?  That is worse than pirating and it looks like you are going to go to hell for it.

Well, I didn't judge anybody, as I said to you in my previous post, it's my opinion, my way to do, I don't care about what YOU do and I respect it.

Of course, if the industry crumble because of piracy like PSP is doing, I will be affected too...

Also, I have the right to give my opinion because I am myself a creator and I have always felt raped whenever my work is stolen. That's it.

And about moral, I am GAY. So yeah, I had A LOT of pre marital sex, don't worry. So much for my rigidity, hey.