okr said:
Slimebeast said:
Great, detailed post!
Shouldn't you be able to lose your position as a "big football nation" though? In that case Uruguay lost it years ago.
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Yes, you can lose this position, but Uruguay? No, not in my opinion. They won their last Copa in 2011, they made it to semi finals and place 3 in world cup 2010 and Diego Forlan was voted best player of that tournament.
Some might say Holland as they only won one international title so far (and 28 years ago), as their national team is not in good shape atm and their best club teams not competitive to make it far in CL or EL these days. But let's not forget their national team made it the world cup final in 2010 (by the way: in Germany we call the runner-up of a WC final respectfully "Vizeweltmeister" [lit: vice world champion]) and they made it to the semi finals and place 3 in WC 2014. So from 2010 to 2014 Holland was Vizeweltmeister, not too shabby.
If there's one country that can meanwhile be considered a "former big nation", it's England. (I think the last time they made it to semi finals in one of the big tournaments was Euro 1996 at home. Their only final ever was the one they won, world cup 1966, again: at home). That's just my opinion though as for some reason they are always named as one of the favorites for a tournament by public media and many people. You listed them as well as one of the possible favorites for WC 2018 a few posts back.
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I don't put so much weight into winning the Copa America, unless Uruguay beated both Brazil and Argentina in that tournament?
Wait a minut, did Urugya come 3d in 2010? I didn't remember that. That's very impressive. Forlan, he was really great! And now that you bring up good players, they have both Suarez and Cavani! Forget what I say about Uruguay losing the position.
Yes I listed England. I truly thought they were a top 5 or something like that this time. (but note that I have allowed my heart to guide me to a large extent in betting this Euro cup as well as in past tournaments, and I also think propaganda is a part of nations vs nations).
You know, this age-old England controversy. I hate that it's the same every time, it's been like this since 1990 my first World Cup I clearly remember. Being from Northern Europe my heart is with the UK and England, and I want them to win so bad (less with time though), and now not only because the Premiere League is the best league in the world, I mean how can England not be in the very top? Year after year after year the same story and they let us down. It's the most strange thing in football, such an extremely interest in football on all levels, big population, huge number of kids playing football, economically number 1 with the PL, all factors are for it, and yet no success with the national team.
And what's with the Premiere League overpaying for foreign players all the time? It sucks that they have to play nearly double compared with La Liga or Italy. Man U gets the same revenue as Barcelona and R Madrid but never get a team that can match. Still Rooney, wth...