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The Fury said:
bananaking21 said:

they have been kissing his ass for the last 10 years when he has been absolutely horrible. no coach would last 8 years without a trophy in a "big" club like arsenal, and 10 years without any major trophy. (no, the FA and community shields arent major trophies). so you might hear some fans saying he needs to go, but the majority will continue to gobble up all the bullshit he says, and just like wenger will say "next year will be our year" for the 11th year in a row.

I don't think you understand how the board work at Arsenal. To them, finishing 4th, a place in Champions League is enough because that alone brings in the money.

Say what you want about Wenger, he's not lost his job and that's because he's bloody good at it. He's consistantly got into the last 16 of Europes clubs for the 13 years.

And the FA cup is a major trophy.

yes, he is good at it. because his job is apperantly to achieve mediocre results, at best case scenario. the board at arsenal are just as bad Wenger, because they only care about profits by reaching the Champions League. only to get knocked out at the first knock out stage. 

he isnt bloody good at being a successfull manager, he is bloody good at failing at it. 

not to the big clubs it isnt. 



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bananaking21 said:
The Fury said:

I don't think you understand how the board work at Arsenal. To them, finishing 4th, a place in Champions League is enough because that alone brings in the money.

Say what you want about Wenger, he's not lost his job and that's because he's bloody good at it. He's consistantly got into the last 16 of Europes clubs for the 13 years.

And the FA cup is a major trophy.

yes, he is good at it. because his job is apperantly to achieve mediocre results, at best case scenario. the board at arsenal are just as bad Wenger, because they only care about profits by reaching the Champions League. only to get knocked out at the first knock out stage. 

he isnt bloody good at being a successfull manager, he is bloody good at failing at it. 

not to the big clubs it isnt. 

Arsenal hasn't had big stars in their team until Ozil and Sanchez. You could argue that they should be winning now but not before that, unless you go back to the time when they had Henry and Dennis Bergkamp. In between, expectations weren't as high. Finishing in the top 4 was great giving the extremely young talent he had to work with. Imo, Arsenal needs a better striker to do better in all competitions. 

Don't forget the business side of things, Man U, for example, is £380m in debt. Arsenal isn't.



LurkerJ said:
bananaking21 said:

yes, he is good at it. because his job is apperantly to achieve mediocre results, at best case scenario. the board at arsenal are just as bad Wenger, because they only care about profits by reaching the Champions League. only to get knocked out at the first knock out stage. 

he isnt bloody good at being a successfull manager, he is bloody good at failing at it. 

not to the big clubs it isnt. 

Arsenal hasn't had big stars in their team until Ozil and Sanchez. You could argue that they should be winning now but not before that, unless you go back to the time when they had Henry and Dennis Bergkamp. In between, expectations weren't as high. Finishing in the top 4 was great giving the extremely young talent he had to work with. Imo, Arsenal needs a better striker to do better in all competitions. 

Don't forget the business side of things, Man U, for example, is £380m in debt. Arsenal isn't.

they didnt have any talent because they refused to buy. they could have opted to buy big stars after they reached the 2006 CL Final, Arsenal were a big team then. but it was wengers decision to focus on young players, its fantastic how people claim he is a great coach, when his decisions and managment dragged down expectations from winning major trophies, to being happy finishing at 4th.



bananaking21 said:

yes, he is good at it. because his job is apperantly to achieve mediocre results, at best case scenario. the board at arsenal are just as bad Wenger, because they only care about profits by reaching the Champions League. only to get knocked out at the first knock out stage. 

he isnt bloody good at being a successfull manager, he is bloody good at failing at it. 

not to the big clubs it isnt. 

I wonder, if Wenger left Arsenal, you know how many clubs would dream of him joining them and managing them? Pretty much everyone.

Who are these 'big' clubs? The ones currently below Leicester and Spurs in the league? Oh how mighty they are. You know, FA Cup includes a Europa League Spot, you know full well Chelsea will be fighting to win that Cup to make sure they get into Europe next season.



Hmm, pie.

Gutted Leicester dropped points last night. Personally (as a Leicester fan and not just someone jumping on the bandwagon) I'd still be ecstatic with making top 4 and having a crack at the CL.

Just have to hope West Ham can pull off a win tonight, and that Spurs V Arsenal ends in a draw on Saturday and everything "might" look rosy again.



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The Fury said:
bananaking21 said:

yes, he is good at it. because his job is apperantly to achieve mediocre results, at best case scenario. the board at arsenal are just as bad Wenger, because they only care about profits by reaching the Champions League. only to get knocked out at the first knock out stage. 

he isnt bloody good at being a successfull manager, he is bloody good at failing at it. 

not to the big clubs it isnt. 

I wonder, if Wenger left Arsenal, you know how many clubs would dream of him joining them and managing them? Pretty much everyone.

Who are these 'big' clubs? The ones currently below Leicester and Spurs in the league? Oh how mighty they are. You know, FA Cup includes a Europa League Spot, you know full well Chelsea will be fighting to win that Cup to make sure they get into Europe next season.

and offer those clubs the chance to have guardiola, ancelotti, or diego simeone and they wouldnt even look at wenger. because they actually win.

and as i stated in my earlier post, Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea are having bad seasons. but the difference is, they arent happy about it. they dont brush it off and say "next year is our year" and just to recap, Chelsea won the season last year, City the Year before it, and Man UTd the year before that. you'd have to go a LONG way down that list to reach a year arsenal have won a league, and you can thank wenger for that. 

and just that proves my point, the biggest incentive to win the FA cup is to get in the Europa League, a league that big clubs dont give a shit about. 



bananaking21 said:

and offer those clubs the chance to have guardiola, ancelotti, or diego simeone and they wouldnt even look at wenger. because they actually win.

and as i stated in my earlier post, Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea are having bad seasons. but the difference is, they arent happy about it. they dont brush it off and say "next year is our year" and just to recap, Chelsea won the season last year, City the Year before it, and Man UTd the year before that. you'd have to go a LONG way down that list to reach a year arsenal have won a league, and you can thank wenger for that. 

and just that proves my point, the biggest incentive to win the FA cup is to get in the Europa League, a league that big clubs dont give a shit about. 

Those clubs would love those managers too but you think too little of Wenger, so he's not in what I presume you think are the top 3 managers in the world, being in the top 10 is amazing. 

Then again, I'd actually like to see Guardiola at a club which isn't huge to see how he does, he's unproven at a lower level.  



Hmm, pie.

The Fury said:
bananaking21 said:

and offer those clubs the chance to have guardiola, ancelotti, or diego simeone and they wouldnt even look at wenger. because they actually win.

and as i stated in my earlier post, Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea are having bad seasons. but the difference is, they arent happy about it. they dont brush it off and say "next year is our year" and just to recap, Chelsea won the season last year, City the Year before it, and Man UTd the year before that. you'd have to go a LONG way down that list to reach a year arsenal have won a league, and you can thank wenger for that. 

and just that proves my point, the biggest incentive to win the FA cup is to get in the Europa League, a league that big clubs dont give a shit about. 

Those clubs would love those managers too but you think too little of Wenger, so he's not in what I presume you think are the top 3 managers in the world, being in the top 10 is amazing. 

Then again, I'd actually like to see Guardiola at a club which isn't huge to see how he does, he's unproven at a lower level.  

i dont think too little of wenger. his accomplishments speak for them selfs. and they speak loud and clear. he isnt a good manager.



bananaking21 said:

i dont think too little of wenger. his accomplishments speak for them selfs. and they speak loud and clear. he isnt a good manager.

Okay dokay.



Hmm, pie.

The Fury said:

Those clubs would love those managers too but you think too little of Wenger, so he's not in what I presume you think are the top 3 managers in the world, being in the top 10 is amazing. 

Then again, I'd actually like to see Guardiola at a club which isn't huge to see how he does, he's unproven at a lower level.  

 

Guardiola got Barcelona B promoted to the second division after failing to get promoted for 11 years.