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ganoncrotch said:
 

you can kill someone with your bare hands at a whim, a sane society should perfectly be able to own whatever they want and use it responsibly. Do you want to ban water because we can drown in it?

You might want to re-read what he said earlier:

Case 1 - Give a psychopath a knife/sharp object and see how many people he could kill before being apprehended.
Case 2 - Now give him a gun (any lethal gun would do) and see how many people he could kill.

When you respond ''do you want to ban water because we can drown in it?'', you are missing the point of his argument and using faulty logic.



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badgenome said:
He also killed half of his victims with a knife. Who's up for some knife control?

Previous post also applies to you.



Luck said:
ganoncrotch said:
 

you can kill someone with your bare hands at a whim, a sane society should perfectly be able to own whatever they want and use it responsibly. Do you want to ban water because we can drown in it?

You might want to re-read what he said earlier:

Case 1 - Give a psychopath a knife/sharp object and see how many people he could kill before being apprehended.
Case 2 - Now give him a gun (any lethal gun would do) and see how many people he could kill.

When you respond ''do you want to ban water because we can drown in it?'', you are missing the point of his argument and using faulty logic.

Did I reply to his earlier comments or just this one? This person in fact has 141 posts on this forum, I replied to one of them, if you enjoyed his earlier posts that is fine but those are not reflected in what I replied to.

Besides your 2 cases are rather weak here, you suggest that if I was mental enough I couldn't go into a local school / hospital / store where there would be no one prepared for any sort of attack and not kill more people with a knife than a round of bullets for most guns would hold? I assure you in the wrong hands any weapon will kill a lot of people. What is needed is a lot more reportability from people who deal with those who are mentally unwell, right now in Ireland there is a lot of cases where husbands have killed their familys and during investigations it's turned out that they had confessed desires to do that to their doctors / psychiachchrist in confidence.

Only thing sadder than hearing about children being murdered is to find out that it could have been avoided if people were aware of what was known about a persons mental health.

Thinking more about the case in point btw, he used a car to kill one of six of the people, you can't try to impose car control based on this one case tho.



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How to best deal with mentally unstable individuals is a debate in his own and I am not pretending to give a solution to that problem.

All I am saying is that it's not a rationally sound argument to rebut gun control by pointing out that you can also kill someone with a car, knife, chair or whatever object you can come up with. The fact is: put yourself in the shoes of someone that is targeted by an individual who wants to commit mass murder, would you rather him to come at you with a gun or some other object ? I think the answer is pretty obvious to anyone.

Again, this doesn't mean that gun control is the solution to unstable individuals, only that you can't rebut the gun control position by simply saying: "Hey, a knife can kill people too." It makes for a nice sounding comeback, it's easy to say, it's catchy, but there's no solid rational foundation to it.



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If the gun control nuts think crime is bad now just wait when all the guns are gone from civilians, and only the criminals have them. Our neighbor to the south is a pretty good example of what awaits.



NobleTeam360 said:
If the gun control nuts think crime is bad now just wait when all the guns are gone from civilians, and only the criminals have them. Our neighbor to the south is a pretty good example of what awaits.

Yeah, good job not talking about your neighbor to the north. You wouldn't want to discredit the whole of your argument. I mean, seriously ? 



Luck said:
NobleTeam360 said:
If the gun control nuts think crime is bad now just wait when all the guns are gone from civilians, and only the criminals have them. Our neighbor to the south is a pretty good example of what awaits.

Yeah, good job not talking about your neighbor to the north. You wouldn't want to discredit the whole of your argument. I mean, seriously ? 

What? Why would I even say to the North? As far as I know Canada has similar gun laws to the United States. I could be wrong about that, any Canadians want to tell me what the general gun laws in Canada are?



NobleTeam360 said:
If the gun control nuts think crime is bad now just wait when all the guns are gone from civilians, and only the criminals have them. Our neighbor to the south is a pretty good example of what awaits.


Agree 100% there are laws regarding illegal substances and murder, does that stop either of them from happening? Those who follow laws should be happy they're allowed by law to hold the same weapon that someone who would break the law would use against them.

@Luck Sure I would rather someone come at me with a Herring than a pistol, but criminals are going to break laws, even gun laws. Would you not prefer it if that person coming at you to begin with was deterred by the fact that normal civilians may be carrying a weapon capable of dropping them in an instant if they decide they want to go on a murder spree?



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Luck said:

Im just happy to be part of a community that doesn't value non-hunting guns as an essential household commodity.

Agreed. Living in Sweden, where we of course have had som shootings (but very few), I feel alot safer than I would have felt living in the US. Feeling safe doesn´t have anything to do with being able to defend myself with a gun, but rather that society itself feels safe enough that these shootings or other gunrelated crimes, doesn´t even happen.