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bananaking21 on 25 May 2014
Cobretti2 said:
bananaking21 said:
that AA looks horrid.

No it doesnt.

 

Thats cause there is no AA.

i know, it looks horrid. 

after i posted that aa looks horrid, i remembered i should have said that Aliasng looks horrid, but i couldnt be botherd. 



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Cheebee on 25 May 2014

So we went from not knowing the exact specifications and the game looking amazing to knowing the exact specifications and finding the game in fact looks terribly horrible.



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Norris2k on 25 May 2014
globalisateur said:
Norris2k said:
DerNebel said:
green_sky said:
DerNebel said:

People sure found alot to discuss when this game was still rumoured to be 1080p, but sure let's just sweep the facts under the rug.

Go ahead, discuss more. Curious to see what you have to contribute, DerNebel. 

OT: Seriously not even AA. MK is in an indie. Hype it up people. 

I just have to add that I said from the start that this whole 1080p rumour was very doubtful and that I find it very much worth discussing or at least pointing out that the game is 720p after all, when just 3 weeks ago we had a pretty big thread here where a whole lot of people just accepted 1080p as fact.

I really thought it would push the hardware and be 1080p. I mean wipeout HD is 1080p on PS3, GT5 has good antialiasing for its 720p, the Wii U should do better, 1 Go of memory for the developer, newer hardware.

Not that it change a thing for MK, the game is still visually excellent, and with the speed and fun, AA should not really matter... Just that I thought it would also be a tech demo that clearly shows that the Wii U is better than PS360, that we can have expectations in term of graphics.

Good? So now 4xMSAA with GT5 is only good?

The real problem is that Wii U is in fact weaker than even PS360, easily. Comparisons with multiplats games and exclusive 720p60fps like MK8 vs GT5 and Forza 4 are really telling. Wii U hardware is such a disappointement.

But really we always knew with the specs on paper: similar/weaker GPU (176Gflops vs PS3 192gflops and X360 240gflops) and much more weaker CPU a PowerPC tricore 1.2ghz for Wii U versus a PowerPC tricore 3.2ghz for X360, PS3 has one core PowerPC at 3.2ghz + 6 SPE at 3.2ghz. The Wii U CPU is so weak it has to dedicate one whole frame, 16ms, every ~second to  compute AI trajectories in MK8, causing a constant micro-stuttering.

Hopefully it has a few great games. A real dedicated Mario and Zelda box.

Good like... you know, good... not like bad. There is the average standard AA, and this one is in the good range. And it cost and render better than no AA. Call it excellent if you will.

About the Wii U specs, we don't know so much, do we ? Twice as much but not so fast memory, a lot weaker cpu, quite a lot of esram (for this hardware range) is about all we know for sure. The PS4 and Xbox one also made a choice for a (still a lot better but ) weak CPU, so it could make sense. For the GPU, it could be better just by being newer, with more advanced features. Even for clearly known hardware like PS3 and XBox 360 there had some incertitude given the strong and weak points of each architecture.



jonathanalis on 25 May 2014

Even without, AA the game looks great.
Nintendo found good solutions using other effects to make the lack of AA doesnt disturb the visuals.



HoloDust on 25 May 2014
KoopaKid said:
HoloDust said:
KoopaKid said:
I guess artistic style trumps realisim i dont understand why people want real in video games dont we want a break from real life and the graphics whores are killing this gen i give 2 craps about graphics all about gameplay halo 2 looks terrible compared to today but i still love it for gameplay


Here's a mental exercise - imagine another version of this game, with the same art style, but on PS4 grade hardware. Would the gameplay be any better? No. Would it look (much) better? Yes.

Which version do you prefer?

Bottom line is, while gfx technical shortcomings of MK8 are nothing to be to bothered much about (at least for me), better hardware would surely provide for more enjoyable experience.


Idc about hardware i have a ps4 i dont ever want nintendo games on xbox 8r playstation nintendo games on nintendo system how it should be


Notice I said PS4 grade hardware, not PS4 per se...I already replied to Dahuman about the same thing, it would be enough even if Nintendo went through with those rumours about 4850 level GPU (way before WiiU was revealed)...



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ICStats on 25 May 2014
Cheebee said:
So we went from not knowing the exact specifications and the game looking amazing to knowing the exact specifications and finding the game in fact looks terribly horrible.

No, we have been saying the lack of AA looks bad in screenshots & vids for as long as we had them.  The visual complexity, and image quality are of a lower Gen 7 game.  If this doesn't tell you the GPU is weak sauce I don't know what does.

720p with at least 2xAA is an average Gen 7 spec game.  720p with no AA is a bad Gen 7 spec game.  People also talk about PS3/360 Anti-Aliasing all the time, and when developers achieve good AA it is great.



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gladiator on 25 May 2014
globalisateur said:
Norris2k said:
DerNebel said:
green_sky said:
DerNebel said:

People sure found alot to discuss when this game was still rumoured to be 1080p, but sure let's just sweep the facts under the rug.

Go ahead, discuss more. Curious to see what you have to contribute, DerNebel. 

OT: Seriously not even AA. MK is in an indie. Hype it up people. 

I just have to add that I said from the start that this whole 1080p rumour was very doubtful and that I find it very much worth discussing or at least pointing out that the game is 720p after all, when just 3 weeks ago we had a pretty big thread here where a whole lot of people just accepted 1080p as fact.

I really thought it would push the hardware and be 1080p. I mean wipeout HD is 1080p on PS3, GT5 has good antialiasing for its 720p, the Wii U should do better, 1 Go of memory for the developer, newer hardware.

Not that it change a thing for MK, the game is still visually excellent, and with the speed and fun, AA should not really matter... Just that I thought it would also be a tech demo that clearly shows that the Wii U is better than PS360, that we can have expectations in term of graphics.

Good? So now 4xMSAA with GT5 is only good?

The real problem is that Wii U is in fact weaker than even PS360, easily. Comparisons with multiplats games and exclusive 720p60fps like MK8 vs GT5 and Forza 4 are really telling. Wii U hardware is such a disappointement.

But really we always knew with the specs on paper: similar/weaker GPU (176Gflops vs PS3 192gflops and X360 240gflops) and much more weaker CPU a PowerPC tricore 1.2ghz for Wii U versus a PowerPC tricore 3.2ghz for X360, PS3 has one core PowerPC at 3.2ghz + 6 SPE at 3.2ghz. The Wii U CPU is so weak it has to dedicate one whole frame, 16ms, every ~second to  compute AI trajectories in MK8, causing a constant micro-stuttering.

Hopefully it has a few great games. A real dedicated Mario and Zelda box.


Exactly neogaf confirmed the 176 gflops, and some die hard nintendo fans don't wanna believe it, neogaf has always been a reliable source, we get npd numbers from them every month, and they ban sites with any false info or stories.



Barozi on 25 May 2014
ICStats said:

No, we have been saying the lack of AA looks bad in screenshots & vids for as long as we had them.  The visual complexity, and image quality are of a lower Gen 7 game.  If this doesn't tell you the GPU is weak sauce I don't know what does.

720p with at least 2xAA is an average Gen 7 spec game.  720p with no AA is a bad Gen 7 spec game.  People also talk about PS3/360 Anti-Aliasing all the time, and when developers achieve good AA it is great.

lol what game is that? I've never seen this before, must be an early one because it looks terrible.



torok on 25 May 2014
Barozi said:

lol what game is that? I've never seen this before, must be an early one because it looks terrible.


Don't know which game is, but probably isn't an early one since PS3 versions suffered badly at that time. Despite that it doesn't look that bad if this scene is actually a crop of a full frame zoomed in.



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Barozi on 25 May 2014
torok said:
Barozi said:

lol what game is that? I've never seen this before, must be an early one because it looks terrible.


Don't know which game is, but probably isn't an early one since PS3 versions suffered badly at that time. Despite that it doesn't look that bad if this scene is actually a crop of a full frame zoomed in.

Terribly off-topic I know, but what makes you think that it's zoomed in?

The cloth texture resolutions are absolutely horrible and the 3D models are in desperate need of more polygons (especially if you look at the body of the guy in the back).

Anyway I would be really happy to know if someone could tell me which game this is.