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Adult Link or young Link?

Adult Link 128 73.99%
 
Young Link 45 26.01%
 
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bigtakilla on 24 May 2014
padib said:
spemanig said:

It definitely isn't about being a "badass" or "mature."

How is the link from Skyward Sword badass or mature?

How does being an adult make a character badass or mature?

Are adult characters capable of not being badass or mature?

Have you played Final Fantasy? Have you enjoyed Star Wars?

That's your answer.

I take it by your quastions you have a problem with young Link, so let me ask you what's wrong with him?

Cause if you say a story staring a child can't be deep or complex I'd like you to play Ocarina Of Time (careful though, it tends to lose people with it's storytelling) and Kingdom Hearts.



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bigtakilla on 24 May 2014
padib said:
bigtakilla said:

I take it by your quastions you have a problem with young Link, so let me ask you what's wrong with him?

Cause if you say a story staring a child can't be deep or complex I'd like you to play Ocarina Of Time (careful though, it tends to lose people with it's storytelling) and Kingdom Hearts.

I don't have a problem with young link.

Then I'm having a hard time telling what your point is.... Why do some people prefer young Link? 

They may just prefer the design.

They may feel a more compelling story of a child who has to overcome an ultimate evil over an adult.

This is an opinion thread, spem is just saying he wants young link back. 



bigtakilla on 24 May 2014
padib said:
bigtakilla said:

Then I'm having a hard time telling what your point is.... Why do some people prefer young Link? 

They may just prefer the design.

They may feel a more compelling story of a child who has to overcome an ultimate evil over an adult.

This is an opinion thread, spem is just saying he wants young link back. 

Sure, his opinion is based on the idea that adult link = more badassness. My point is that I disagree on that and my questions prod him to reconsider his position.

I thought Skyward Sword Link was pretty badass, then again I was the one swinging the sword, lol.

I can also see where he might think Twilight Princess was trying too hard to be gritty and appeal to the "hardcore" crowd.



Frogger on 24 May 2014
padib said:
spemanig said:
padib said:
spemanig said:


LoZ is not FF or Star Wars. And his character in SS is adult so that he can better be "badass." Every Zelda game with only adult Link would be no different/better with child Link. Every Zelda game with child Link would be worse off with adult Link.

@bold. How can you be sure of that? And Link is young in the other games so he can be less bad ass?

Is link young or old in Link's Adventure?

We can't answer those questions because we honestly don't know.

Also, if link were so bad ass in TP, why does he look like a girl?


Because adult Link's inclusion in the franchise is literally a reaction to fan opposition to wind waker and their positive reaction to the GCN tech demo. The sole reason he is included was because Aonuma wanted to "appologize" to fans for Wind Waker by giving them the "badass" Link they wanted. Skyward Sword's Link, who is very literally TP Link with baggier pants and a more colorful design, is a remnant of that design phylosophy.

Young Link absolutely can be badass, but the entire design phylosophy behind adult Link is to make him look badass. I don't mind badass characters, but a Link's design shouldn't be crafted around what looks the coolest.

He's still young im my eyes. He does't look as old as SS or TP Link, even if he is. And again, that doesn't bother me because there's a purpose to his age. He's that old (16) because it follows a cronalogy to the first game where he's 12. It, again, shows a child growing up.



Frogger on 24 May 2014
padib said:
spemanig said:

Because adult Link's inclusion in the franchise is literally a reaction to fan opposition to wind waker and their positive reaction to the GCN tech demo. The sole reason he is included was because Aonuma wanted to "appologize" to fans for Wind Waker by giving them the "badass" Link they wanted. Skyward Sword's Link, who is very literally TP Link with baggier pants and a more colorful design, is a remnant of that design phylosophy.

Young Link absolutely can be badass, but the entire design phylosophy behind adult Link is to make him look badass. I don't mind badass characters, but a Link's design shouldn't be crafted around what looks the coolest.

He's still young im my eyes. He does't look as old as SS or TP Link, even if he is. And again, that doesn't bother me because there's a purpose to his age. He's that old (16) because it follows a cronalogy to the first game where he's 12. It, again, shows a child growing up.

I get your TP gripe, and you're entitled to your preferences. I don't agree that SS is part of that philosophy. It's a choice of Link and it's difficult for you to demonstrate how it's to make link look badass. Also, link is very humble in SS, if we look at how he's bullied by groose and defended by Zelda. I don't see how, other than by mind-reading, you can affirm that link in SS was made to look badass.

The Young Link/Adult Link argument you make really doesn't make sense to me. Sure, he's a child growing up, isn't that any adult really?


He's humble in TP to. I'm not talking about his character. I'm talking about the reasons for his aesthetic design. SS Link was made to look like TP Link with a WW pallet. That's not mind reading. Aonuma literally said that, on top of the fact that they look exactly alike. TP Link, again, was designed from the ground up to be fanservice as an appology for WW not being what the loud minority wanted. 

And no, that's not any adult. Link in OoT is literally a child trapped in an older teen's body. That isn't a metaphor. That's literally what happens in that game. 



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Frogger on 24 May 2014
padib said:
spemanig said:

He's humble in TP to. I'm not talking about his character. I'm talking about the reasons for his aesthetic design. SS Link was made to look like TP Link with a WW pallet. That's not mind reading. Aonuma literally said that, on top of the fact that they look exactly alike. TP Link, again, was designed from the ground up to be fanservice as an appology for WW not being what the loud minority wanted. 

And no, that's not any adult. Link in OoT is literally a child trapped in an older teen's body. That isn't a metaphor. That's literally what happens in that game. 

Okay... maybe. I don't understand how link's body grows but not his mind. I can understand that he has no memories of the 7 years locked up in the hidden realm, but that doesn't mean he's a child in his mind.

Honestly, I understand that the industry is way too focused on protagonists looking badass, but I honestly don't think that's an issue with all adult characters, and honestly I disagree that because link was made to look badass in TP, that makes the same design intent follow for SS. Yes, he may be a blend of TP and WW, but that may just be a natural evolution to a previous design, and an intelligent reuse of software assets (e.g. they don't have to redesign everything, they can reuse much of the framework of TP to make SS). I don't think you're right on that.


...Yes. Yes it absolutely does. If you where seven and you went to sleep as a seven year old and woke up ten years later, you're not gonna suddenly start acting like a seventeen year old.

It doesn't matter if it wasn't the design intent for Skyward Sword. The influences of the previous design still resonate. That's like if Aonuma made a new Zelda game, and it was the Wind Waker model of Link, but with realistic textures in the style of the Zelda tech demo. No matter how much Aonuma altered the aesthetic of Links design, he's always gonna keep the doofy runt with a big head-design from WW, no matter how much darker the story of that game turns out. I absolutely am right on that.



Frogger on 24 May 2014
padib said:
spemanig said:

...Yes. Yes it absolutely does. If you where seven and you went to sleep as a seven year old and woke up ten years later, you're not gonna suddenly start acting like a seventeen year old.

It doesn't matter if it wasn't the design intent for Skyward Sword. The influences of the previous design still resonate. That's like if Aonuma made a new Zelda game, and it was the Wind Waker model of Link, but with realistic textures in the style of the Zelda tech demo. No matter how much Aonuma altered the aesthetic of Links design, he's always gonna keep the doofy runt with a big head-design from WW, no matter how much darker the story of that game turns out. I absolutely am right on that.

Not sure about that. If I sleep for 7 years, my mind matures as I sleep, physiologically my mind ages. The physiology of my mind will change after 7 years. If one part of the body ages, the whole body ages.

@intent. Your initial point was that TP link was made to look badass, that was the intent. The result, if I understood you correctly, also reflects that intent. However, once SS comes in, and is blended with WW, even though parts of the previous design resonate in the final design of SS, it is likely not enough to justify judging the game's design as trying to look badass. After having played the game, I highly doubt the colors and themes match your argument.


No. It doesn't. That's not how the mind works at all. Maturity doesn't come from the biologocal passage of time; it's comes from experience. That's not an opinion. That's psysically how the mind works.

My initial point was that TP Link was made to be fanservice. Part of that fanservice came from fans wanting Link to be as "badass" as he looked in the GCN tech demo; a tech demo that Aonuma has gone on record as saying he didn't like because when he looked at it, the thought "this isn't Zelda." His SS design was a comprimise. He was trying to give fans the Link they wanted while still keeping creative control. I've played the game too. The colors and themes don't matter when his final physical design ooses the fanservice that ruined TP Link.



toot1231 on 24 May 2014

OOT's/MM's young link was always my favorite.



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Frogger on 24 May 2014
padib said:

spemanig said:

No. It doesn't. That's not how the mind works at all. Maturity doesn't come from the biologocal passage of time; it's comes from experience. That's not an opinion. That's psysically how the mind works.

My initial point was that TP Link was made to be fanservice. Part of that fanservice came from fans wanting Link to be as "badass" as he looked in the GCN tech demo; a tech demo that Aonuma has gone on record as saying he didn't like because when he looked at it, the thought "this isn't Zelda." His SS design was a comprimise. He was trying to give fans the Link they wanted while still keeping creative control. I've played the game too. The colors and themes don't matter when his final physical design ooses the fanservice that ruined TP Link.

Bold is kind of what I meant. I think you are seeing into it much more than the game's final design lends to interpret. What you know about a game's development history and what the game presents really are two different things.

I would be willing to partially agree with you on the importance of experience in maturity, but I disagree that morphology has no implications whatsoever in the mental aging process.


I don't think I am at all. I only know what I know about SS design history because I was so bothered by the design that I did research on it. I thought it was stupid before I knew why.

It doesn't matter that you agree on. This isn't debatable like Links design is. Look at any case study of a child who went into a coma, only to wake up as an adult. The all maintain child-like traits as an adult.



Frogger on 24 May 2014
toot1231 said:
OOT's/MM's young link was always my favorite.


I always liked WW's young Link and especially ALttP/ALBW/OA&S/LA young Link, but OoT/MM's are special to me as well lol.