My point being it was pathetic for people to act like Homebrew is any justification for a console.

What you describe is probably the US market. I'm sorry, but at least where I live, you are WRONG!

Virtually every single DS sold here already comes with this flash feature. The vendors themselves sell them to you "pre-installed" (that's a bit of a stretch because it doesn't require installation); even the pirated games are offered by the very same people who sell the DSs despite also selling the original games. The pirated games are then copied over to the flash cart by the vendor themselves; the buyer normally just says, "Oh, I want this and that game, and do you by chance have this?" and in a matter of minutes, the DS is replete with pirated games. So in fact, the average buyer, despite being a potential luddite who has never turned on a computer before, doesn't have to do any legwork, because the vendor has done all that for the consumer. 

lol trolls vs troll hunters, I love these threads.

 You talking to me?

Almost every freakin' firmware update Sony sends out to its PSP's is to try to stop hackers from breaking into the firmware.  They have even switched the circuit board twice.  They employ Microsoft's Halo 2 tactic where a game will not boot unless you've installed the latest firmware, even though that required firmware has nothing to do with running that particular game.  Piracy on the PSP is a big deal...big enough for Sony to keep throwing money away trying to fight it.

Actually the DS easily holds the 30+ audience with adult games like Brain Age. The PSP's audience is High School through College. With some sales dotted here and there in the other demographics. The problem for them is the DS holds the majority of the child demographic, little of the high school, some of the college, and nearly all of the adult. If you limit yourself to 1 small age range of course your sales are going to be bad. Especially if most of your sales are to tech geeks who would rather get free things then pay for games (okay, I'm guilty of it as well). I mean honestly I turn my PSP on maybe once a month, even with all the emulated games. I play my DS more than any other system I have ever owned, without a doubt.

You Nintendo guys are too much. I own a DS and a Wii and every other Nintendo console except the Gamecube (I even bought a VirtuaBoy when it came out...how many of you can claim that?), but you guys are even beyond my imaginings. Why do I say this? Because it's not enough that you guys want the title of "most handhelds sold", you also want "most likely to be hacked handheld". Unbelievable. Just stop. You win. The DS is the most likely to be hacked and yet sells the most games per unit. That doesn't even make any sense, but whatever.  Okay?

Yeah PSP appeals to just teens and college students, DS appeals to all ages, more specifically adults. either way it makes me glad to see piracy is hurting the PSP.

Oh and yes DonWii, import games work. One of my favorite games of all time is an import DS game. Jump! Ultimate Stars is SSBM with anime characters, online multiplayer, an amazing volume of completely different characters (50+), great graphics, amazing strategy elements, and awesome gameplay mechanics. I hardly know any of the anime/manga in the game but it still is unbelievably fun. It's probably around 30 bucks total on eBay these days. You can play it with no knowledge of Japanese whatsoever as gamefaqs has a full guide to the game up.

Edit: for anyone interested in it http://youtube.com/watch?v=tlaJw_TUoTc . It can also be purchased from www.play-asia.com

The DS is in fact a phenomenon....it's unbelievable what it's doing really.  I honestly think it has a chance to break GB sales over the course of its life.

On the other hand, the PSP is no slouch either.  Yes it looks weak compared to the DS.  But it's up there having sold 22m units worldwide beating the original Xbox, Gamecube, Dreamcast and Saturn.

Yes, the DS is now around 2:1 worldwide versus the PSP, but I reckon the PSP will comfortably reach 30m within the next 12-18 months and still have a good few years after that worth of life.

The PSP is not an ill-fated handheld, it is "fact" the most successful handheld not made by Nintendo; actually it beats it closest rival by more than double...the ill-fated GameGear.

-Nintendo did have 100% market share.

-Sony stole a piece of the pie! Fair enough...! But the pie grew... (you know what i'm meaning?!)

PSP is doing fairly good... But DS is shattering every record... Which means Nintendo is breaking it's own records... While there is a first good competitor... Which means... Nintendo might have 70% marketshare or something... But that 70% of the pie is eventually bigger then their 100% of the pie 5 years ago (sabbie?!)... Which means the industry has grown! (Can u guys still follow?!)

-Just to make it all clear:

5 years ago: Nintendo 100% marktshare in handhelds.

75 mil GBA sold.

Now: Nintendo 70% marketshare (and growing):

         Sony 30% marketshare:

45 mil DS sold (and growing FAST).

22 mil PSP sold (and growing steadily).

So eventually: DS might be at 120 million or something. And psp at 40 or something. Then Nintendo broke their GBA record... But are at 70%... So they grew... But the market grew too! There was enough room for another system... And that's why they won'y have 100% anymore! But still have more total sold then before! 

Same thing with the Wii... Yes it IS stealing marketshare... But the market is getting bigger... So there's more room for higher numbers for every 3 consoles...