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Capulous said:
mornelithe said:
Capulous said:

"Sony pushed blu-ray onto the playstation to help them win the next format wars. They forced the cost onto consumers in order to profit from it."

They decision to include blu-ray on the PS3 raised the cost of the system. The cost of the system was increased due to the inclusion of blu-ray. I don't need to deal with anything, I'm fine.

Yeah, reality doesn't seem to be your strong suit.  All good.

So you failed and now you resort to personal attacks. Whatever.

Failed at what? The numbers are out there for you to peruse at your leisure, if you're unwilling to do so, for whatever reason, that's on you.  You provide nothing but your own opinions.  Again, you have a reality problem.  It's all good.



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mornelithe said:
Capulous said:
mornelithe said:

Yeah, reality doesn't seem to be your strong suit.  All good.

So you failed and now you resort to personal attacks. Whatever.

Failed at what? The numbers are out there for you to peruse at your leisure, if you're unwilling to do so, for whatever reason, that's on you.  You provide nothing but your own opinions.  Again, you have a reality problem.  It's all good.

That's what you've been doing. Stating your opinion that the cost of the PS3 had nothing at all to do with the inclusion of blu-ray. I say it does. You have provided nothing to prove otherwise. Are you sure I'm the one with a reality problem? I do agree with the last part though. It is all good.



Capulous said:

That's what you've been doing. Stating your opinion that the cost of the PS3 had nothing at all to do with the inclusion of blu-ray. I say it does. You have provided nothing to prove otherwise. Are you sure I'm the one with a reality problem? I do agree with the last part though. It is all good.

Never said the cost of the Ps3 had nothing to do with Blu Ray, also never said the cost of the PS3 didn't have to do with XDR or the Cell Processor.  What I did say is  defining 'transferring costs to the consumer' by absorbing between 28 and 38 percent of the products BOM, isn't accurate.  The profit made from Blu Ray, came nowhere close to covering the losses on the PS3.  Not even remotely close.



mornelithe said:
Capulous said:

That's what you've been doing. Stating your opinion that the cost of the PS3 had nothing at all to do with the inclusion of blu-ray. I say it does. You have provided nothing to prove otherwise. Are you sure I'm the one with a reality problem? I do agree with the last part though. It is all good.

Never said the cost of the Ps3 had nothing to do with Blu Ray, also never said the cost of the PS3 didn't have to do with XDR or the Cell Processor.  What I did say is  defining 'transferring costs to the consumer' by absorbing between 28 and 38 percent of the products BOM, isn't accurate.  The profit made from Blu Ray, came nowhere close to covering the losses on the PS3.  Not even remotely close.

What you said is that saying Sony transferring costs to the consumers is false. The inclusion of bluray increased the price of the PS3. The consumers paid for that. 

Sony banked on winning the format wars. They were hoping for a huge payoff from the royalites they would recieve because of it. It was probably projected to be similar to the amount that DVDs pulled it. Unfortunatly for them, it hasn't been that way so far.

 



Capulous said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Capulous said:


I know you don't. It is obvious by your posts. However, everyone has their own opinions, that is why we have discussion.

First couple of years? I disagree with you, but it may be just our taste in games are differnt. I think they did fine for most of the years of the 360's life. So what are some of the examples of Sony trying to push out something new? They have done plenty of copying as well.


2005-2008 was the height of the Xbox 360's first party. The decline started from 2009-2013.

I enjoyed their first part offerings for longer than that, but to each their own. Now what about the second part?


2009 was the year their first party started drying up. They were even asked by the media why their first party was so weak.



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Tara Long admits that Microsoft made themselves look like a bunch of dishonest liars when dealing with the Kinect from the start in retrospect.

As I've always said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0hvHCsOZgQ&list=UUQXR8pItAoKDAJSbphFxbrg



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Capulous said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Capulous said:


I know you don't. It is obvious by your posts. However, everyone has their own opinions, that is why we have discussion.

First couple of years? I disagree with you, but it may be just our taste in games are differnt. I think they did fine for most of the years of the 360's life. So what are some of the examples of Sony trying to push out something new? They have done plenty of copying as well.


2005-2008 was the height of the Xbox 360's first party. The decline started from 2009-2013.

I enjoyed their first part offerings for longer than that, but to each their own. Now what about the second part?


2009 was the year their first party started drying up. They were even asked by the media why their first party was so weak.

I meant about Sony always trying to push something new.

What the media says really doesn't mean much. You can find comments in the media going either way depending on where you look and what you are looking for. This is especailly true with the internet. Any site can post pretty much anything and most of the times, it is just an opinion piece.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Tara Long admits that Microsoft made themselves look like a bunch of dishonest liars when dealing with the Kinect from the start in retrospect.

As I've always said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0hvHCsOZgQ&list=UUQXR8pItAoKDAJSbphFxbrg

Who is Tara Long? Did she actually use those words or are you paraphrasing it toward your own views?



I think Sony will still come out on top in the long run. The thing here is it's bigger in EU and JP, but not only that it has a more diverse genre line up.



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Capulous said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Tara Long admits that Microsoft made themselves look like a bunch of dishonest liars when dealing with the Kinect from the start in retrospect.

As I've always said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0hvHCsOZgQ&list=UUQXR8pItAoKDAJSbphFxbrg

Who is Tara Long? Did she actually use those words or are you paraphrasing it toward your own views?


The link is there for a reason. I have no clue why you're being so protective without watching it. Tara Long worked with Adam Sessler as reviwers on Rev3 which is owned by the Discovery channel.