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S.T.A.G.E. said:
Capulous said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Tara Long admits that Microsoft made themselves look like a bunch of dishonest liars when dealing with the Kinect from the start in retrospect.

As I've always said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0hvHCsOZgQ&list=UUQXR8pItAoKDAJSbphFxbrg

Who is Tara Long? Did she actually use those words or are you paraphrasing it toward your own views?


The link is there for a reason. I have no clue why you're being so protective without watching it. Tara Long worked with Adam Sessler as reviwers on Rev3 which is owned by the Discovery channel.

I rather read over a review or article; I dislike watching them because they talk too much and do not get to the point. You make Tara Long sound like someone important in Microsoft. She admits that Microsoft made themselves look... It's just another opinion. She doesn't admit anything, she may say what she feels or believes. I said that earlier about the media and how you can always find opinions that skew one way or the other. Don't make it sound like she is more than she is.

I was just asking. I am just well aware of your opinions, and I really didn't want to bother watching the video.



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Capulous said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Capulous said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Tara Long admits that Microsoft made themselves look like a bunch of dishonest liars when dealing with the Kinect from the start in retrospect.

As I've always said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0hvHCsOZgQ&list=UUQXR8pItAoKDAJSbphFxbrg

Who is Tara Long? Did she actually use those words or are you paraphrasing it toward your own views?


The link is there for a reason. I have no clue why you're being so protective without watching it. Tara Long worked with Adam Sessler as reviwers on Rev3 which is owned by the Discovery channel.

I rather read over a review or article; I dislike watching them because they talk too much and do not get to the point. You make Tara Long sound like someone important in Microsoft. She admits that Microsoft made themselves look... It's just another opinion. She doesn't admit anything, she may say what she feels or believes. I said that earlier about the media and how you can always find opinions that skew one way or the other. Don't make it sound like she is more than she is.

I was just asking. I am just well aware of your opinions, and I really didn't want to bother watching the video.

They lied....twice. Of course, shes just some chick, not someone who has been following the industry for years and gaming herself enough to become a respected commentator. Rev3 is actually one of the most unbiased and well spoken reviewers ive seen on Youtube.

First say they said the Xbox One needs the Kinect. Its not an interchangable part of the machine.

Then after they took that lie back they said the Xbox One can be removed but the Kinect is essential to the Xbone and will never be unbundled.

Let it be known that the people will always win. By following Sony, all is well for Microsoft and their fans once more.

Look up what I've said about how they responded to the backlash about Kinect from the very beginning. From now on they should keep Yusuf Mehdi's mouth shut because that guy is such a douchebag. Just keep Spencer on the mic.

Until they do that....its on.



S.T.A.G.E. said:

They lied....twice. Of course, shes just some chick, not someone who has been following the industry for years and gaming herself enough to become a respected commentator. Rev3 is actually one of the most unbiased and well spoken reviewers ive seen on Youtube.

First say they said the Xbox One needs the Kinect. Its not an interchangable part of the machine.

Then after they took that lie back they said the Xbox One can be removed but the Kinect is essential to the Xbone and will never be unbundled.

Let it be known that the people will always win. By following Sony, all is well for Microsoft and their fans once more.

Look up what I've said about how they responded to the backlash about Kinect from the very beginning. From now on they should keep Yusuf Mehdi's mouth shut because that guy is such a douchebag. Just keep Spencer on the mic.

Until they do that....its on.

You mean because they listened to complaints and changed the system to appeal to a broader audience? Things change, they adapted. People bitch if they do, and they bitch if they don't. Don't make it such a big thing. You have weird arguments because you constantly bash one company for one thing and praise another even though they are not that different at all. Sony has lied many times as well if you want to nitpick everything.

As for the reviwer, yea it's an opinion.  I'm not sure why you brought them into the discussion when there was no point.

Some people like Kinect, some do not. You can always find people that feel strongly one way or another about pretty much anything. As for his statement, it was a PR statement. Sony has made plenty of them as well. You seem to take it very personal to call him a douchebag over something so trivial.

How exactly are they following Sony?

What is on, exactly?



Capulous said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

They lied....twice. Of course, shes just some chick, not someone who has been following the industry for years and gaming herself enough to become a respected commentator. Rev3 is actually one of the most unbiased and well spoken reviewers ive seen on Youtube.

First say they said the Xbox One needs the Kinect. Its not an interchangable part of the machine.

Then after they took that lie back they said the Xbox One can be removed but the Kinect is essential to the Xbone and will never be unbundled.

Let it be known that the people will always win. By following Sony, all is well for Microsoft and their fans once more.

Look up what I've said about how they responded to the backlash about Kinect from the very beginning. From now on they should keep Yusuf Mehdi's mouth shut because that guy is such a douchebag. Just keep Spencer on the mic.

Until they do that....its on.

You mean because they listened to complaints and changed the system to appeal to a broader audience? Things change, they adapted. People bitch if they do, and they bitch if they don't. Don't make it such a big thing. You have weird arguments because you constantly bash one company for one thing and praise another even though they are not that different at all. Sony has lied many times as well if you want to nitpick everything.

As for the reviwer, yea it's an opinion.  I'm not sure why you brought them into the discussion when there was no point.

Some people like Kinect, some do not. You can always find people that feel strongly one way or another about pretty much anything. As for his statement, it was a PR statement. Sony has made plenty of them as well. You seem to take it very personal to call him a douchebag over something so trivial.

How exactly are they following Sony?

What is on, exactly?


IGN even wrote an article about it. I've been saying all of their 180's have been copying Sony to compete with them. Sony has been satisfying people and Microsoft have not been thinking about the consumer at all. 

Sony made Microsoft look like an ass at E3. Gametrailers even called it "Sony dropping the mic" on Microsoft. They had to show MS how to treat their own fans.

After treating their fans and Gamestop like  they are the problem with plans of forcing DRM upon us they pulled four or five 180's to save their launch. I mean RROD was pretty bad but Microsoft just doesnt think about the consumer at all. Phil Spencer promised to be honest with fans, and while I admire his sentiment, Yusuf Medhi is still a dick.

IGN even wrote an article on Microsoft using Sonys playbook. Read it. They used other companies using other companies methods as well.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/13/using-sonys-playbook-microsoft-will-attempt-xbox-ones-turnaround?utm_campaign=fbposts&utm_source=facebook



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Capulous said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

They lied....twice. Of course, shes just some chick, not someone who has been following the industry for years and gaming herself enough to become a respected commentator. Rev3 is actually one of the most unbiased and well spoken reviewers ive seen on Youtube.

First say they said the Xbox One needs the Kinect. Its not an interchangable part of the machine.

Then after they took that lie back they said the Xbox One can be removed but the Kinect is essential to the Xbone and will never be unbundled.

Let it be known that the people will always win. By following Sony, all is well for Microsoft and their fans once more.

Look up what I've said about how they responded to the backlash about Kinect from the very beginning. From now on they should keep Yusuf Mehdi's mouth shut because that guy is such a douchebag. Just keep Spencer on the mic.

Until they do that....its on.

You mean because they listened to complaints and changed the system to appeal to a broader audience? Things change, they adapted. People bitch if they do, and they bitch if they don't. Don't make it such a big thing. You have weird arguments because you constantly bash one company for one thing and praise another even though they are not that different at all. Sony has lied many times as well if you want to nitpick everything.

As for the reviwer, yea it's an opinion.  I'm not sure why you brought them into the discussion when there was no point.

Some people like Kinect, some do not. You can always find people that feel strongly one way or another about pretty much anything. As for his statement, it was a PR statement. Sony has made plenty of them as well. You seem to take it very personal to call him a douchebag over something so trivial.

How exactly are they following Sony?

What is on, exactly?


IGN even wrote an article about it. I've been saying all of their 180's have been copying Sony to compete with them. Sony has been satisfying people and Microsoft have not been thinking about the consumer at all. 

Sony made Microsoft look like an ass at E3. Gametrailers even called it "Sony dropping the mic" on Microsoft. They had to show MS how to treat their own fans.

After treating their fans and Gamestop like  they are the problem with plans of forcing DRM upon us they pulled four or five 180's to save their launch. I mean RROD was pretty bad but Microsoft just doesnt think about the consumer at all. Phil Spencer promised to be honest with fans, and while I admire his sentiment, Yusuf Medhi is still a dick.

IGN even wrote an article on Microsoft using Sonys playbook. Read it. They used other companies using other companies methods as well.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/13/using-sonys-playbook-microsoft-will-attempt-xbox-ones-turnaround?utm_campaign=fbposts&utm_source=facebook


S.T.A.G.E., why do you keep doing this? The XBox team has a new leader now. Spencer is making the proper changes. Why do you keep bringing up their past mistakes and keep on condemning them to no end? Sony made a lot of mistakes as well with the PS3. They adapted, listened and gave us the PS4. The old leaders at MS made some crappy mistakes.... Big deal. They're listening now, and giving gamers what they want. They may not have listened to what the consumers wanted at first. But they are, now. This is all that should matter. 

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Hynad said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


IGN even wrote an article about it. I've been saying all of their 180's have been copying Sony to compete with them. Sony has been satisfying people and Microsoft have not been thinking about the consumer at all. 

Sony made Microsoft look like an ass at E3. Gametrailers even called it "Sony dropping the mic" on Microsoft. They had to show MS how to treat their own fans.

After treating their fans and Gamestop like  they are the problem with plans of forcing DRM upon us they pulled four or five 180's to save their launch. I mean RROD was pretty bad but Microsoft just doesnt think about the consumer at all. Phil Spencer promised to be honest with fans, and while I admire his sentiment, Yusuf Medhi is still a dick.

IGN even wrote an article on Microsoft using Sonys playbook. Read it. They used other companies using other companies methods as well.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/13/using-sonys-playbook-microsoft-will-attempt-xbox-ones-turnaround?utm_campaign=fbposts&utm_source=facebook


S.T.A.G.E., why do you keep doing this? The XBox team has a new leader now. Spencer is making the proper changes. Why do you keep bringing up their past mistakes and keep on condemning them to no end? Sony made a lot of mistakes as well with the PS3. They adapted, listened and gave us the PS4. The old leaders at MS made some crappy mistakes.... Big deal. They're listening now, and giving gamers what they want. They may not have listened to what the consumers wanted at first. But they are, now. This is all that should matter. 

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Wait...so do you mean to tell me that RROD wasnt worse than Sony pricing the PS3 at $600? At one point amassing a failure rate of 60% of consoles sold. The box had to be completely redesigned.  It took five years for Microsoft launch to proper console. Everything comes before the consumer with them. People ask me why consumers buy products from other countries, I  just say..."quality". 

Phil Spencer is trying to turn things around. I understand this truth, but with jackasses like Yusuf Medhi running around, I think I have the right to hold my opinion. Someone needs to shut him up just like did Orth. 



S.T.A.G.E. said:

Wait...so do you mean to tell me that RROD wasnt worse than Sony pricing the PS3 at $600? At one point amassing a failure rate of 60% of consoles sold. The box had to be completely redesigned.  It took five years for Microsoft launch to proper console. Everything comes before the consumer with them. People ask me why consumers buy products from other countries, I  just say..."quality". 

Phil Spencer is trying to turn things around. I understand this truth, but with jackasses like Yusuf Medhi running around, I think I have the right to hold my opinion. Someone needs to shut him up just like did Orth. 

Who cares who did better or worse? Mistakes are mistakes. But, what does it change in your life? You're pointing a finger at stuff that are now in the past. And the question I ask is: Why? Why do you constantly talk shit about MS and XBox? What do you have to gain with this attiutude of yours? 



Hynad said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Wait...so do you mean to tell me that RROD wasnt worse than Sony pricing the PS3 at $600? At one point amassing a failure rate of 60% of consoles sold. The box had to be completely redesigned.  It took five years for Microsoft launch to proper console. Everything comes before the consumer with them. People ask me why consumers buy products from other countries, I  just say..."quality". 

Phil Spencer is trying to turn things around. I understand this truth, but with jackasses like Yusuf Medhi running around, I think I have the right to hold my opinion. Someone needs to shut him up just like did Orth. 

Who cares who did better or worse? Mistakes are mistakes. But, what does it change in your life? You're pointing a finger at stuff that are now in the past. And the question I ask is: Why? Why do you constantly talk shit about MS and XBox? What do you have to gain with this attiutude of yours? 

So are you saying they havent made mistakes recently that dont demand the public eye to be on them?



Hynad said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Wait...so do you mean to tell me that RROD wasnt worse than Sony pricing the PS3 at $600? At one point amassing a failure rate of 60% of consoles sold. The box had to be completely redesigned.  It took five years for Microsoft launch to proper console. Everything comes before the consumer with them. People ask me why consumers buy products from other countries, I  just say..."quality". 

Phil Spencer is trying to turn things around. I understand this truth, but with jackasses like Yusuf Medhi running around, I think I have the right to hold my opinion. Someone needs to shut him up just like did Orth. 

Who cares who did better or worse? Mistakes are mistakes. But, what does it change in your life? You're pointing a finger at stuff that are now in the past. And the question I ask is: Why? Why do you constantly talk shit about MS and XBox? What do you have to gain with this attiutude of yours? 

who cares? we, the consumer, do care.

after what MS tried to pull last year, do you think you get back on the good side of gamers just like this? the only reason why MS reversed their policies was because people were vocal about things. now you are complaining about a consumer being vocal online?

you're asking what does it change in his life, maybe the fact that we don't have to play with daily online checks, that cameras aren't deemed mandatory to be connected while you use the consoles, the fact you can lend your friends your games or even buy used copies... now even finally MS being forced to admit PS plus was an embarassingly supperior value than Live, making them offer the games with gold program and removing the apps from the paywall.

if you don't want to make your voice heard, that's fine, but don't complain about other people taking the time to be vocal and defend their interests



setsunatenshi said:
Hynad said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Wait...so do you mean to tell me that RROD wasnt worse than Sony pricing the PS3 at $600? At one point amassing a failure rate of 60% of consoles sold. The box had to be completely redesigned.  It took five years for Microsoft launch to proper console. Everything comes before the consumer with them. People ask me why consumers buy products from other countries, I  just say..."quality". 

Phil Spencer is trying to turn things around. I understand this truth, but with jackasses like Yusuf Medhi running around, I think I have the right to hold my opinion. Someone needs to shut him up just like did Orth. 

Who cares who did better or worse? Mistakes are mistakes. But, what does it change in your life? You're pointing a finger at stuff that are now in the past. And the question I ask is: Why? Why do you constantly talk shit about MS and XBox? What do you have to gain with this attiutude of yours? 

who cares? we, the consumer, do care.

after what MS tried to pull last year, do you think you get back on the good side of gamers just like this? the only reason why MS reversed their policies was because people were vocal about things. now you are complaining about a consumer being vocal online?

you're asking what does it change in his life, maybe the fact that we don't have to play with daily online checks, that cameras aren't deemed mandatory to be connected while you use the consoles, the fact you can lend your friends your games or even buy used copies... now even finally MS being forced to admit PS plus was an embarassingly supperior value than Live, making them offer the games with gold program and removing the apps from the paywall.

if you don't want to make your voice heard, that's fine, but don't complain about other people taking the time to be vocal and defend their interests

Funny how it's almost exclusively people who don't have much interest for XBox consoles who complain and make a big deal out of this.

People complained about what MS was proposing. And they worked to make the proper changes. Now that they did, you're telling me that it's justified to keep going on and whine like little kids about what was before, instead of being glad that they did change most of what was wrong and move on? Your voice was heard. What's more to be heard about now? They've made the proper changes. They listened.

Are you going to whine about how things would have been if they hadn't listened for the remainded of this gen, or will you accept that they listend and move on and enjoy gaming?