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papamudd on 09 May 2014

cant both sony and MS be great partners?



Talal said:
I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014.

in reference to KH3 release date

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kitler53 on 09 May 2014
sales2099 said:
kitler53 said:
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honestly, just no.  "we" didn't brag about all those ratchet and clank exclusives.  "we" didn't brag about all those resistance exclusive (sans the lead up to the first) either.  insomniac is AA not AAA.  

you know what the one thing i haven't seen in these sunset overdrive threads is?  kowenicki.  i'll bet i can guess why too. (1, 2)   his bickering with certain sony fans annoys me to death but when he isn't engaged in mortal kombat he's pretty principled in his opinions which i respect a lot.

sunset overdrive will be and good AA game but i'll take any terms you want right now that it's meta is under 85 just like everything else in the last 6 years.

Just going on the general principle that exclusives are by default liked before release. All fan groups are like this. PS fans happen to be the most numerous here so I feel my thoughts are arguable if it happened.

That said, I don't expect a 90 meta. But even their games in the 80's got a fair amount of fan hype and praise. Not through the roof, but praise nonetheless.

I think it will go down like Infamous: low 80's meta yet still is respected and praised by the fans.

well than i agree with you...

 

..but my new pet peeve is "other fans" posts.   this score keeping we seem to do these days is out of control.



walsufnir on 09 May 2014
papamudd said:
cant both sony and MS be great partners?


Reading some posts here, no. Impossible. First, terrific and MS doesn't fit together and seems to cause a reality distortion to some members and some are even suggesting this wording means Sony is a bad partner and the whole thing started to fly through the roof.



papamudd on 09 May 2014

I see I won't be needing this anymore:



Talal said:
I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014.

in reference to KH3 release date

Machiavellian on 09 May 2014
DonFerrari said:
Machiavellian said:
DonFerrari said:
J_Allard said:
DonFerrari said:

If of course financials were the bigger part and then IP ownership, and both are kept out and just summarized as "MS is better partner then Sony" how can you say they were precise?

Previously feeding hand just if they decide not to keep releasing content financed by Sony.

Who knows how big a piece of the pie financials were. How much more precise can they be than saying MS gave them a better deal?

They can partner with Sony for another R&C game and it is irrelevant to this project. MS is the feeding hand here.

More precise saying not that they partnered with MS because they are great partners but because they were the only willing to support them in their terms? (If they decide not to say about the finances specific).

I'll repeat that my only problem in his comment was when asked why the game won't release on PS4 and the answer being because MS are terrific partners. Maybe that was taken out of context or the guy rushed to answer, but certainly seems disrespectful.

Actually it might not be taken out of context and means exactly what you think.  Sony might not have been a great partner to them and did not give them the freedom them wanted.  MS offered them what they wanted which would make them the better partner.  As I have seen, Console makers treat each developer different and it could be a case where IS was not happy under Sony.  It's notdisrespectful it could be the truth for them.  No one knows what goes on between a lot of these dev companies and the console maker.

To public bad mouth a company that supported you for 10 yearss is disrespectful. Have you bad mouthed a company that you decided to leave because of a better paycheck? Tell me how it was.

Ahh but thats just your point of view.  The developer never said anything bad about Sony nor did they even mention anything wrong.  The developer just praised MS.  What I love about that statement is that it really says nothing but could say everything.  Its up to the person reading it to form their own opinion.

In reality, the statement could read exactly as its stated.  The developer was asked why SO is exclusivve to MS and its because they are great partners.  The statement could have no more meaning then that.  The statement just might have absolutly nothing to do with Sony.



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fps_d0minat0r on 09 May 2014

If you want to own a business, you cant blame the person who gave you a job and experience for 10 years which allowed you to set up that business effectively.

I dont think insomniac did anything wrong by signing a deal with MS, but they did give a big F U to sony by ripping of the chimera from resistance for use in sunset overdrive. It doesnt matter though because they done an awful job of it.



DaHuuuuuudge on 10 May 2014

Honestly, It's just business.. Insomniac is just trying to make money in this industry like everyone else



VanceIX on 10 May 2014

Microsoft gave Insomniac a lot more freedom than Sony offered, and in the end that's whats important for them.

In this case, it was more like the owner either leashing the dog to a pole, or giving them freedom to run around the house. I'm a Sony supporter all the way, but I can see why Insomniac would want to go their separate ways.



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J_Allard on 12 May 2014
DonFerrari said:
J_Allard said:
DonFerrari said:

If of course financials were the bigger part and then IP ownership, and both are kept out and just summarized as "MS is better partner then Sony" how can you say they were precise?

Previously feeding hand just if they decide not to keep releasing content financed by Sony.

Who knows how big a piece of the pie financials were. How much more precise can they be than saying MS gave them a better deal?

They can partner with Sony for another R&C game and it is irrelevant to this project. MS is the feeding hand here.

More precise saying not that they partnered with MS because they are great partners but because they were the only willing to support them in their terms? (If they decide not to say about the finances specific).

I'll repeat that my only problem in his comment was when asked why the game won't release on PS4 and the answer being because MS are terrific partners. Maybe that was taken out of context or the guy rushed to answer, but certainly seems disrespectful.

Isn't that just splitting hairs? "MS are terrific partners" and "MS was the only one willing to give the support we needed"? If I was of the mind to think the first comment was "disrespectful", I certainly would think the second was equally if not more disrespectful.

More importantly, again, what do you think this actually means to Sony? Do you think Kaz or whoever runs SCEA now (assuming dumb ass Tretton is gone already, he might still be there) were angry when they read that? "Blah is an awesome partner" is pretty much the standard line given by any developer to their publisher. It's not like if Sony was thinking of doing another R&C, they'd blow Insomniac off because of this.



oldschoolfool on 12 May 2014

your post just sounds like sour grapes 2 me.