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Porcupeth said:
sales2099 said:
Porcupeth said:
More than Res 3 and Fuse... but that's it.
And fuse was multiplat, not PS3 exclusive.

Also any ratchets after 2009 forsure. As for fuse....its combiend sales are still easily passable.


I know that about FUSE, i was simply saying that as a multiplat, its failure is unrelated to Sony's marketing.

Ratchets after 2009 were all smaller, cheaper, digital-centric games.

Then it shouldn't be a problem then should it? ;P

Resistance 2, thats my personal milestone I will compare SO's legs to. It truly comes down to the effort MS puts into this games marketing. Oh and the games meta. Games with 70's metas don't have long legs historically.



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DonFerrari said:

Not soften their words for Sony sake. But so you think the truth is that they partnered with MS because they are terrific and sony not as good, and not for financial reasons? And should I even answer on why you don't bad mouth someone that supported you previously?

Of course financials played into it. That is part of being a good partner for developers. Making games takes a lot of time and money. But usually that money comes with a caveat, and it's usually control of the game/IP. It seems MS stepped up with the money and the freedom Insomniac were looking for. Why shouldn't they share that with the world? Why should they downplay it so that it doesn't make Sony look bad?

Where did they bad mouth Sony? And who cares if Sony supported them previously? If that's the issue then your title should say "Insomniac biting the formerly feeding hand?". And that former support was a two way street. If Sony is paying them to make a game then they are supporting Sony as much as Sony is supporting them.



Insomniac are better off without Sony if Sony are not going to let Insomniac grow as a company, in fact I would say sony has been a hindrance to Insomniac all these years. Imagine what IP they could have in their stable right now if they didn't work on Resistance and Ratchet and didn't even get IP rights to those franchises anyway??

Insomniac want to grow as an independent company and Microsoft has allowed that to happen.



 

J_Allard said:
DonFerrari said:

Not soften their words for Sony sake. But so you think the truth is that they partnered with MS because they are terrific and sony not as good, and not for financial reasons? And should I even answer on why you don't bad mouth someone that supported you previously?

Of course financials played into it. That is part of being a good partner for developers. Making games takes a lot of time and money. But usually that money comes with a caveat, and it's usually control of the game/IP. It seems MS stepped up with the money and the freedom Insomniac were looking for. Why shouldn't they share that with the world? Why should they downplay it so that it doesn't make Sony look bad?

Where did they bad mouth Sony? And who cares if Sony supported them previously? If that's the issue then your title should say "Insomniac biting the formerly feeding hand?". And that former support was a two way street. If Sony is paying them to make a game then they are supporting Sony as much as Sony is supporting them.

If of course financials were the bigger part and then IP ownership, and both are kept out and just summarized as "MS is better partner then Sony" how can you say they were precise?

Previously feeding hand just if they decide not to keep releasing content financed by Sony.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Seece said:
Insomniac are better off without Sony if Sony are not going to let Insomniac grow as a company, in fact I would say sony has been a hindrance to Insomniac all these years. Imagine what IP they could have in their stable right now if they didn't work on Resistance and Ratchet and didn't even get IP rights to those franchises anyway??

Insomniac want to grow as an independent company and Microsoft has allowed that to happen.


Well... for Insominiac I hope it helps them out. And not sure if it was a real hindrance, since they were independent from the beggining. You could actually say they used Sony as a clutch for 10 years, not that Sony hold them hostage.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:

If of course financials were the bigger part and then IP ownership, and both are kept out and just summarized as "MS is better partner then Sony" how can you say they were precise?

Previously feeding hand just if they decide not to keep releasing content financed by Sony.

Who knows how big a piece of the pie financials were. How much more precise can they be than saying MS gave them a better deal?

They can partner with Sony for another R&C game and it is irrelevant to this project. MS is the feeding hand here.



DonFerrari said:
Seece said:
Insomniac are better off without Sony if Sony are not going to let Insomniac grow as a company, in fact I would say sony has been a hindrance to Insomniac all these years. Imagine what IP they could have in their stable right now if they didn't work on Resistance and Ratchet and didn't even get IP rights to those franchises anyway??

Insomniac want to grow as an independent company and Microsoft has allowed that to happen.


Well... for Insominiac I hope it helps them out. And not sure if it was a real hindrance, since they were independent from the beggining. You could actually say they used Sony as a clutch for 10 years, not that Sony hold them hostage.

Oh I agree Insomniac willing took on those franchise which was perhaps foolish.



 

J_Allard said:
DonFerrari said:

If of course financials were the bigger part and then IP ownership, and both are kept out and just summarized as "MS is better partner then Sony" how can you say they were precise?

Previously feeding hand just if they decide not to keep releasing content financed by Sony.

Who knows how big a piece of the pie financials were. How much more precise can they be than saying MS gave them a better deal?

They can partner with Sony for another R&C game and it is irrelevant to this project. MS is the feeding hand here.

More precise saying not that they partnered with MS because they are great partners but because they were the only willing to support them in their terms? (If they decide not to say about the finances specific).

I'll repeat that my only problem in his comment was when asked why the game won't release on PS4 and the answer being because MS are terrific partners. Maybe that was taken out of context or the guy rushed to answer, but certainly seems disrespectful.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

After Sony's terrible marketing for Resistance 3, I do not blame Insomniac. That game should have moved a lot more software then it did.



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Seece said:
DonFerrari said:
Seece said:
Insomniac are better off without Sony if Sony are not going to let Insomniac grow as a company, in fact I would say sony has been a hindrance to Insomniac all these years. Imagine what IP they could have in their stable right now if they didn't work on Resistance and Ratchet and didn't even get IP rights to those franchises anyway??

Insomniac want to grow as an independent company and Microsoft has allowed that to happen.


Well... for Insominiac I hope it helps them out. And not sure if it was a real hindrance, since they were independent from the beggining. You could actually say they used Sony as a clutch for 10 years, not that Sony hold them hostage.

Oh I agree Insomniac willing took on those franchise which was perhaps foolish.


Or maybe keep them afloat since the sells on those games weren't stellar (maybe they didn't had their sould behind it), if they were to live on FUSEs they would have been closed long ago.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."