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gooch_destroyer on 10 May 2014
DarkD said:
gooch_destroyer said:
DarkD said:

Sony exclusives being piss poor is not an opinion.  There have been major complaints with every exclusive so far...  I don't actually think theres a single exclusive yet that Sony can hang their hat on and say "this is why you want a PS4."  Their best game scores at the low 80s on metacritic.Hell, the highest rated games are ones that no one even cares enough to mention.    

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4

Everything at the top is either borrowed from other platforms or indie.  With the exception of an MMO you can get on the PC and a baseball game.  I wouldn't call either of those system sellers.  Especially since you a hardcore Sony fan don't care enough to mention the PS4's best games, why should I count them.  

Y'know these systems aren't really worth getting until E3 anyway...the highest games between them are ports.

I havin't seen any complaints about the PS4 games other than the "More indies? c'mon Sony we want more AAA's" bitchfest.

Besides, the biggest game on the Xbox One right now can also be bought on the 360 and PC.

You are always gonna be able to buy Xbox exclusives on the PC and 360.  Microsoft just doesn't care enough to really push their platform.  

Of course they aren't worth getting early.  I'm a Wii U owner.  My original opinion I think was that you should wait until E3 because I strongly suspect that Sony won't have the winning console advantage everyone thinks they are going to have.  However I didn't want an enormous wall of text so I deleted everything but the most recent part.  

The complaints were more that things like Infamous 2 and Metal Gear were supposed to be bigger titles and they barely crack 80 on metacritic.  

MS should've push the systems harder by now.

Sony pressers are a little hit-and-miss if you know what I mean. But I think this should be good as well as Ninty and MS.

Yeah, Fun games though.



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-CraZed- on 10 May 2014
Mensrea said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Mensrea said:
deskpro2k3 said:
To get a list of current and upcoming PS4 exclusives, all you have to use is google.

1. Basement Crawl / Bloober Team

2. Blacklight: Retribution* / Zombie Studios

3. Daylight* / Zombie Studios

4. DC Universe Online* / SONY Online Entertainment

5. Driveclub / Evolution Studios

6. Final Fantasy XIV* / Square Enix

7. Infamous: Second Son / Sucker Punch Productions

8. Killzone: Shadow Fall / Guerilla Games

9. Knack / SCE Japan Studio

10. The Order: 1886 / Ready at Dawn

11. PlanetSide 2* / SONY Online Entertainment

12. Primal Carnage: Genesis* / Lukewarm media

13. Super Stardust HD / Housemarque

14. War Thunder* / Gaijin Entertainment

15. Warframe* / Digital Extremes

16. Deep Down

17. Transistor* [hexashadow13]

18. Mercenary Kings* [hexashadow13]

19. Don't Starve [hexashadow13] TE

20. Octodad [hexashadow13] TE

21. Uncharted 4

22. Everquest Next

23. Rumor: A Tales of Series game for PS4


I mean, that's fine, but many of these are not PS4 exclusive, and many of them are just indies. I suppose it's not the quantity that's bothering me, but rather the quality. I mean, besides infamous, IMO the rest of the current exclusives are crap.


Even if its only on PC and PS4, it is still exclusive to one console platform, Sony. Since when is indies bad? Wait let me guess you haven't played them because most of them is not even out yet.

Indies aren't bad by any means, but I have a gaming PC that I've played many of them on already. And if your arguing that an indy caries as much qeight as something like sunset overdrive, then I'm gonna have to say goodnight.

Sunset Overdrive certainly looks interesting and I am a fan of insomniac but lets look at their recent track record with Resistance (being overall a meh series except no. 3), Fuse (a not so good third person shooter) and the last two Ratchet games (both being the weakest of the series by far) couple that with the fact that neither you nor I or anyone here has never played Sunset Overdrive and then compare it to the likes of say Don't Starve, Resogun, Sound Shapes, Octodad, Outlast, Steamworld Dig, Stick it to the man, Swapper,  and your argument falls apart.

 

 



Max King of the Wild on 10 May 2014
DarkD said:

Found this after 3 seconds of looking.  

http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-changed-playstation-4-drm-policy-after-xbox-one-outrage/

this is after one minute of looking 

http://www.edge-online.com/news/e3-2013-drm-free-ps4-is-a-pr-play-expect-similar-policies-across-both-consoles-say-sources/

So now we have Edge a respected media outlet and PS4daily.com a sony fanboy website saying the same thing...  

Sony exclusives being piss poor is not an opinion.  There have been major complaints with every exclusive so far...  I don't actually think theres a single exclusive yet that Sony can hang their hat on and say "this is why you want a PS4."  Their best game scores at the low 80s on metacritic.Hell, the highest rated games are ones that no one even cares enough to mention.    

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4

Everything at the top is either borrowed from other platforms or indie.  With the exception of an MMO you can get on the PC and a baseball game.  I wouldn't call either of those system sellers.  Especially since you a hardcore Sony fan don't care enough to mention the PS4's best games, why should I count them.  

Those three quotes of mine don't have a factual statement in them.  They all start out with terms similar to "I think".  Please look up the word think and fact in the dictionary.  You can come back when you no longer believe those two words represent the same thing.  

Here's a fact check of my own so you can learn to argue properly.  

One if a person states something as fact then you can counter it with counter-evidence of your own.  

Two if nothing has been stated as fact, you can state your own opinion on what will happen and why you think that.  

All I did was represent an opinion which I feel strongly about.  You haven't disproven a damn thing so stop acting like you have because it's physically impossible until E3 comes around.  

Sony said from the begining that their policies were the same as Ps3's. Then at E3 they were loud and clear what they meant. Then you still had "sources" claiming that it was just a PR and they would have just as restrictive DRM... now here we are after Ps4's launch and it's exactly like Sony said it would be like since Feb last year... but we are suppose to believe the anonymous sources that were wrong? lol lloolol ol ol ol o  thanks for the laugh



-CraZed- on 10 May 2014
DarkD said:

naruball said:

 I see. In that case, you most certainly cannot guarantee that Sony had similar plans,as you stated. As I suspected. 

Of course Sony forced MS to drop their initial policies. That does not mean Sony did have similar plans. 

Yes, this is a forum and we make predictions and have theories. However, it's one thing to present a theory and a completely different to say "I guarantee it", since you have absolutely no evidence to support this. Had an EA representative said "Sony ensured us that they would have x policies and then change their minds", then you would have a case. At the moment, there is nothing to suggest that. 

As for the exclusives. Piss poor? Well, you're entitled to your own opinion, but just because you find these games "piss poor", it doesn't mean that it represents the general consensus. It's also not a proper argument. Because following this logic I can call anything I want as "garbage" and get away with it. "MS exclusives? Meh. They all suck" (based on what?). The only game that could be considered "piss poor" is Knack. Killzone and Infamous have had overall positive reviews. And that does not even include non-retail games that are considered excellent (such as resogun). Again, just because you don't like them, it doesn't mean they're "piss poor".

Here's what's factually incorrect with your previous post. Please read again what you wrote:

"I don't know if Sony can even recover at this point"

"I think Sony stabbed third parties in the back this gen"

"Either third parties have no choice but to go back and develop for Sony, or they continue throwing tonnes of exclusives at Microsoft"

Please give some examples of Third parties turning their back on Sony. Which third party game is not being released on ps4 which could be interpreted as them turning their back on Sony? Which are these "tonnes of exclusives" that  they will  continue  throwing at MS?
Titanfall? A game funded by MS? Sunset Overdrive? A game funded by MS? Which tonnes of gameS are you talking about? 

Had you said that about wiiu, it would make sense. Most Ea games are skipping wiiu. To my knowledge not a single game is not being released on ps4 that is not part of a deal that MS has made with a developer. 

So what exactly do you mean by "go back" and "recover"? They never left. 

Found this after 3 seconds of looking.  

http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-changed-playstation-4-drm-policy-after-xbox-one-outrage/

this is after one minute of looking 

http://www.edge-online.com/news/e3-2013-drm-free-ps4-is-a-pr-play-expect-similar-policies-across-both-consoles-say-sources/

So now we have Edge a respected media outlet and PS4daily.com a sony fanboy website saying the same thing...  

Sony exclusives being piss poor is not an opinion.  There have been major complaints with every exclusive so far...  I don't actually think theres a single exclusive yet that Sony can hang their hat on and say "this is why you want a PS4."  Their best game scores at the low 80s on metacritic.Hell, the highest rated games are ones that no one even cares enough to mention.    

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4

Everything at the top is either borrowed from other platforms or indie.  With the exception of an MMO you can get on the PC and a baseball game.  I wouldn't call either of those system sellers.  Especially since you a hardcore Sony fan don't care enough to mention the PS4's best games, why should I count them.  

Those three quotes of mine don't have a factual statement in them.  They all start out with terms similar to "I think".  Please look up the word think and fact in the dictionary.  You can come back when you no longer believe those two words represent the same thing.  

Here's a fact check of my own so you can learn to argue properly.  

One if a person states something as fact then you can counter it with counter-evidence of your own.  

Two if nothing has been stated as fact, you can state your own opinion on what will happen and why you think that.  

All I did was represent an opinion which I feel strongly about.  You haven't disproven a damn thing so stop acting like you have because it's physically impossible until E3 comes around.  

Unsubstatiated hyperbole and a total misquote of the Shu Yoshida interview. Notice they offer no source.

Again unsubstantiated and has not beared out as true to date.

It most certainly IS an opinion. How else could you say they are piss poor while someone else such as myself can say they are not anywhere near piss poor (except maybe Knack, which even some people actually like) and are actually great games. There have also been major complaints with every single XB1 exclusive as well, from Ryse's linear repetitive combat, Forza's loss of cars and tracks and lack of next gen environments, baked in lighting etc., DR3 being reviewed as the weakest of the series and having some poor visuals and spotty performance; all of which while true lend themselves to OPINIONS. Never-the-less they were enjoyed by many XB1 owners as were the forementioned Sony exclusives by PS4 owners.

Also, you might want to check out the XB1 metacritic scores as all but 1 XB1 exclusive scores 80 or less ( which also curiously is "borrowed" from the PC and only 9 games total above 80 while PS4 has two exclusives above 80 Resogun and The Show plus 26 games above 80 in total. Just the fax man, just the fax.

 






DarkD on 10 May 2014
Max King of the Wild said:
DarkD said:

Found this after 3 seconds of looking.  

http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-changed-playstation-4-drm-policy-after-xbox-one-outrage/

this is after one minute of looking 

http://www.edge-online.com/news/e3-2013-drm-free-ps4-is-a-pr-play-expect-similar-policies-across-both-consoles-say-sources/

So now we have Edge a respected media outlet and PS4daily.com a sony fanboy website saying the same thing...  

Sony exclusives being piss poor is not an opinion.  There have been major complaints with every exclusive so far...  I don't actually think theres a single exclusive yet that Sony can hang their hat on and say "this is why you want a PS4."  Their best game scores at the low 80s on metacritic.Hell, the highest rated games are ones that no one even cares enough to mention.    

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4

Everything at the top is either borrowed from other platforms or indie.  With the exception of an MMO you can get on the PC and a baseball game.  I wouldn't call either of those system sellers.  Especially since you a hardcore Sony fan don't care enough to mention the PS4's best games, why should I count them.  

Those three quotes of mine don't have a factual statement in them.  They all start out with terms similar to "I think".  Please look up the word think and fact in the dictionary.  You can come back when you no longer believe those two words represent the same thing.  

Here's a fact check of my own so you can learn to argue properly.  

One if a person states something as fact then you can counter it with counter-evidence of your own.  

Two if nothing has been stated as fact, you can state your own opinion on what will happen and why you think that.  

All I did was represent an opinion which I feel strongly about.  You haven't disproven a damn thing so stop acting like you have because it's physically impossible until E3 comes around.  

Sony said from the begining that their policies were the same as Ps3's. Then at E3 they were loud and clear what they meant. Then you still had "sources" claiming that it was just a PR and they would have just as restrictive DRM... now here we are after Ps4's launch and it's exactly like Sony said it would be like since Feb last year... but we are suppose to believe the anonymous sources that were wrong? lol lloolol ol ol ol o  thanks for the laugh

English isn't your first language is it because you are clearly not understanding what I wrote....  

You guys made me source my stuff, you source yours.  Show me Sony saying that they weren't going to have stringent DRM on their system before E3.  So that's your first two sentences proven crappy.  

My sources claim that Sony made a last minute decision to not have DRM after they saw the crapfest it caused Microsoft.  Its theory which is heavily substantiated by reliable news sources.  Your whole post is so wrong simply because you don't understand English....  Don't argue when you can't speak the language...



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Max King of the Wild on 10 May 2014
DarkD said:

English isn't your first language is it because you are clearly not understanding what I wrote....  

You guys made me source my stuff, you source yours.  Show me Sony saying that they weren't going to have stringent DRM on their system before E3.  So that's your first two sentences proven crappy.  

My sources claim that Sony made a last minute decision to not have DRM after they saw the crapfest it caused Microsoft.  Its theory which is heavily substantiated by reliable news sources.  Your whole post is so wrong simply because you don't understand English....  Don't argue when you can't speak the language...


Oh how cute you acting like a tough mean old bully.  You sourced anonymous sources that claimed that the e3 presentation was a pr stunt and they were still implementing DRM. That turned out to be wrong. That source is now not credible. Once you site a source worth it's salt I will show you mine



DarkD on 10 May 2014

-CraZed- said:

Unsubstatiated hyperbole and a total misquote of the Shu Yoshida interview. Notice they offer no source.

Again unsubstantiated and has not beared out as true to date.

It most certainly IS an opinion. How else could you say they are piss poor while someone else such as myself can say they are not anywhere near piss poor (except maybe Knack, which even some people actually like) and are actually great games. There have also been major complaints with every single XB1 exclusive as well, from Ryse's linear repetitive combat, Forza's loss of cars and tracks and lack of next gen environments, baked in lighting etc., DR3 being reviewed as the weakest of the series and having some poor visuals and spotty performance; all of which while true lend themselves to OPINIONS. Never-the-less they were enjoyed by many XB1 owners as were the forementioned Sony exclusives by PS4 owners.

Also, you might want to check out the XB1 metacritic scores as all but 1 XB1 exclusive scores 80 or less ( which also curiously is "borrowed" from the PC and only 9 games total above 80 while PS4 has two exclusives above 80 Resogun and The Show plus 26 games above 80 in total. Just the fax man, just the fax.

It's not possible for it to be proven as true.  I have literally gone as far as I need to go.  You are arguing with someone on a forum.  I am not telling you that you are wrong, I am giving credence to my original post which I have done.  I am not proving what I said to be fact.  I stated a controversial opinion which is what forums are for....  You've lost so go away already...  My job wasn't to prove the opinion fact but simply to explain where I am coming from.  I've done that...  

I've proven that at E3 there is a chance that Sony will actually be left out of a lot of third party games because third parties are upset with them.  

Oh and btw, I'm a Nintendo fan, not an XBox fan...  so your whole last paragraph is also nonsense.  Although I suppose you did call them "fax".



DarkD on 10 May 2014
Max King of the Wild said:
DarkD said:

English isn't your first language is it because you are clearly not understanding what I wrote....  

You guys made me source my stuff, you source yours.  Show me Sony saying that they weren't going to have stringent DRM on their system before E3.  So that's your first two sentences proven crappy.  

My sources claim that Sony made a last minute decision to not have DRM after they saw the crapfest it caused Microsoft.  Its theory which is heavily substantiated by reliable news sources.  Your whole post is so wrong simply because you don't understand English....  Don't argue when you can't speak the language...


Oh how cute you acting like a tough mean old bully.  You sourced anonymous sources that claimed that the e3 presentation was a pr stunt and they were still implementing DRM. That turned out to be wrong. That source is now not credible. Once you site a source worth it's salt I will show you mine


Did you even read the website.  It stated that it was a PR stunt and that sony ORIGINALLY intended to have DRM.  That has not been disproven...  

Ok I think I figured out where the BS is coming from.  You're bugging me because you only read a small portion of the argument and have no clue what I am trying to substantiate here.  Basically you walked in on an argument and thought "oh hey that doesn't sound right" and figured you'd enlighten me...  Well keep your damned enlightenment.  

The argument was whether I could substantiate that that developers were under the opinion that Sony was going to have DRM too.  Thus when Sony announced they didn't have DRM, developers were pissed off.  The only thing I am trying to prove is that developers thought that Sony was going to have DRM.



S.T.A.G.E. on 10 May 2014
J_Allard said:
Rêveur said:
I totally agree. I've never really been an Xbox guy, but Sony has been disappointing me so much lately. All I see for their E3 lineup are a bunch of ports, remakes, reboots, or sequals. There's maybe two or 3 new original titles only, and I'm sick of their PS4 upgrading of PS3 games.

Microsoft seems to have a more varied lineup, more original content, more surprises and just generally overall more appealing lineup. I still don't have either of the next gen consoles but at this rate, by the time Dragon Age Inquisition comes out, I'll probably lean more towards the Xbox One than PS4.

Don't want more Uncharted, more God of War, more of the same. Want new, original content.

agreed with all of that (though I do have an Xbone and WiiU).

I hope that E3 leak was completely fake because that lineup is extremely meh. LoU, GoW, and GT PS3 rehashes and Uncharted 4. Yawn. At least they have The Order later in the year.


Sony's launch year is always, meh. If people haven't figured this out its kind of sad. Its the second and third year where it starts to build on people. I learned my less after two years of building up hype on the Xbox. It loses its steam around three years and then becomes complacent and uses PC games to fill in their software gaps.



-CraZed- on 10 May 2014
DarkD said:

-CraZed- said:

Unsubstatiated hyperbole and a total misquote of the Shu Yoshida interview. Notice they offer no source.

Again unsubstantiated and has not beared out as true to date.

It most certainly IS an opinion. How else could you say they are piss poor while someone else such as myself can say they are not anywhere near piss poor (except maybe Knack, which even some people actually like) and are actually great games. There have also been major complaints with every single XB1 exclusive as well, from Ryse's linear repetitive combat, Forza's loss of cars and tracks and lack of next gen environments, baked in lighting etc., DR3 being reviewed as the weakest of the series and having some poor visuals and spotty performance; all of which while true lend themselves to OPINIONS. Never-the-less they were enjoyed by many XB1 owners as were the forementioned Sony exclusives by PS4 owners.

Also, you might want to check out the XB1 metacritic scores as all but 1 XB1 exclusive scores 80 or less ( which also curiously is "borrowed" from the PC and only 9 games total above 80 while PS4 has two exclusives above 80 Resogun and The Show plus 26 games above 80 in total. Just the fax man, just the fax.

It's not possible for it to be proven as true.  I have literally gone as far as I need to go.  You are arguing with someone on a forum.  I am not telling you that you are wrong, I am giving credence to my original post which I have done.  I am not proving what I said to be fact.  I stated a controversial opinion which is what forums are for....  You've lost so go away already...  My job wasn't to prove the opinion fact but simply to explain where I am coming from.  I've done that...  

I've proven that at E3 there is a chance that Sony will actually be left out of a lot of third party games because third parties are upset with them.  

Oh and btw, I'm a Nintendo fan, not an XBox fan...  so your whole last paragraph is also nonsense.  Although I suppose you did call them "fax".

You are the one who claimed it was not an opinion that Sony's exclusives were piss poor. I simply countered that claim with an incontrovertable fact.

I am not sure how you "proved" anything. And I never addressed that topic anyways. I think you might be getting confused here.

If true then I am not sure what you are doing here? The topic at hand was how MS was winning the OP over. You bring in how Sony's exclusives are piss poor (and erroneously present that as a fact) so the comparison can be made as this is a Microsoft discussion after all.

As for the last sentence, it was a levitous twist on the line from Dragnet. I guess I should have expected we could stay light hearted. After all, I'm arguing with someone on a forum. Nighty night.