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Kresnik said:
Doing so well for them that they're not sure whether they're bringing their new game to the system.

Righty-o, Drinkbox.


The article mentions their new game and the fact that a mobile release isn't a priority. Have they just forgotten to mention it?



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RolStoppable said:
Nem said:

If its the proprietary memory cards that are holding it back, i wonder how the Playstation 1 and 2 ever survived.

Dont you think thats its a bit unfortunate to make such a big deal over a 20 euro memory card that usually comes bundled with the system or several games? No, its not. Its games, that is all.

Allowing non-proprietary cards would be to allow piracy in and effectively kill the system. Wich one do you prefer?

1) There were no widespread cheap SD cards back then.

2) Lack of games that matter is definitely a bigger issue, yes.

3) That excuse doesn't work when the 3DS uses common SD cards.


I was expecting someone to say that. The 3DS is a system much more closed than the Vita. The 3DS doesnt connect to your PC and Wii U.  It doesnt let you download and store stuff from the internet (except for the ones Nintendo allows on the eshop). To allow the openess of all those extra features, the system has to be locked somewhere else. Otherwise, its door open to piracy and no one will be bringing their localisations over for sure.

Again, its alot of QQ over 20 euros... and alot of lazyness.



Of course it doesn't deserve that reputation, Sony is doing a great job with it.



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Nem said:
RolStoppable said:
Nem said:

If its the proprietary memory cards that are holding it back, i wonder how the Playstation 1 and 2 ever survived.

Dont you think thats its a bit unfortunate to make such a big deal over a 20 euro memory card that usually comes bundled with the system or several games? No, its not. Its games, that is all.

Allowing non-proprietary cards would be to allow piracy in and effectively kill the system. Wich one do you prefer?

1) There were no widespread cheap SD cards back then.

2) Lack of games that matter is definitely a bigger issue, yes.

3) That excuse doesn't work when the 3DS uses common SD cards.


I was expecting someone to say that. The 3DS is a system much more closed than the Vita. The 3DS doesnt connect to your PC and Wii U.  It doesnt let you download and store stuff from the internet (except for the ones Nintendo allows on the eshop). To allow the openess of all those extra features, the system has to be locked somewhere else. Otherwise, its door open to piracy and no one will be bringing their localisations over for sure.

Again, its alot of QQ over 20 euros... and alot of lazyness.


This just means you don't know about security. Saying openness and Vita together is so wrong. You can implement security with sd-cards, too, it doesn't automatically mean piracy on a system.

The thing is Sony uses their own memory solution which is

a) more expansive than similar or better (faster) sd-cards

b) can only be used with this system.

They have absolutely no advantage to users. Also proprietary solutions never prevented piracy. Look at PSP.



RolStoppable said:
Nem said:

I was expecting someone to say that. The 3DS is a system much more closed than the Vita. The 3DS doesnt connect to your PC and Wii U.  It doesnt let you download and store stuff from the internet (except for the ones Nintendo allows on the eshop). To allow the openess of all those extra features, the system has to be locked somewhere else. Otherwise, its door open to piracy and no one will be bringing their localisations over for sure.

Again, its alot of QQ over 20 euros... and alot of lazyness.

Hm... if that's true, then it's basically a choice between common SD cards/fewer tertiary features and proprietary memory cards/more tertiary features.


I think it is. Though i would call them secondary and not tertiary. Though the storing of and exchange of content between your platforms, especially the PC is incredibly useful (for example you can transfer videos you downloaded on the internet and watch them on your vita when you're in bed). The browser is extremely useful as is the Youtube streaming on a bigger screen than the 3DS.

I have both mind you, not dissing the 3DS by any means. But to say the proprietary cards are the reason why people dont buy the Vita isnt convincing to me. If theres games (with widestream appeal), more people will buy it.



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walsufnir said:
 


This just means you don't know about security. Saying openness and Vita together is so wrong. You can implement security with sd-cards, too, it doesn't automatically mean piracy on a system.

The thing is Sony uses their own memory solution which is

a) more expansive than similar or better (faster) sd-cards

b) can only be used with this system.

They have absolutely no advantage to users. Also proprietary solutions never prevented piracy. Look at PSP.


a)They are indeed more expensive, wich is a bother. But, you really dont need a huge one when Sony lets you transfer content between devices wirelessly, if you dont want to bother connecting the cable. Is it really such a fuss over 20 euros that will last you a generation? I really dont see it beeing any different than the PS2 and the PS1 was actually worse.

b) Why would you use them with anything else? Do you swap your 3DS card around devices?



Meh, it deserves what its getting not cause its a bad machine but the way Sony handled it with false promises (imo). When the vita launched, they promised AAA titles and what we got instead is niche games up the ass and AAA titles that are much better in other platforms

If the wiiU deserves to get hate for promising third party titles but not delivering them, the Vita deserves to get hate for promising AAA titles and not delivering them not to metion there are basically close to zero third party support from western developers



                  

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Looking at only VGChartz specifically, the tone of discussion has always been dominated by the immortal words of good ol' Ricky Bobby. If you're first, life is good. If you're not first... well it's back to the drawing board to see what you did wrong and how your successor can haul in the biggest piece of pie. There's little to no word as to whether the product is actually profitable to the company despite it's low(er than the 1st place hardware) sales or whether it's okay for the hardware to cater to a niche that's sustainable.

It got to the point where Vita was doing so poorly and discussion got so out of hand that a seperate Vita only discussion thread had to be made so that Vita owners could enjoy their system and games without the constant backlash of sales discussion. It's now VGChartz's biggest thread ever (?), and houses pretty vibrant discussion about the future of the system and the games folks are enjoying. *tips hat*

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if a specific hardware ecosystem is profitable despite catering to a niche market, can that not be a sustainable and viable point of entry for a company? I get that capitalism is all about growth, growth, growth... but there's many companies who cater to a still profitable smidgen of the pie... and are perfectly happy doing so.

I dunno, I feel like I'm rambling at this point. Despite the sales, Vita's cool in my book (except for Sony's monopolic price gouging of their propriatary memory cards).



Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Meh, it deserves what its getting not cause its a bad machine but the way Sony handled it with false promises (imo). When the vita launched, they promised AAA titles and what we got instead is niche games up the ass and AAA titles that are much better in other platforms

If the wiiU deserves to get hate for promising third party titles but not delivering them, the Vita deserves to get hate for promising AAA titles and not delivering them not to metion there are basically close to zero third party support from western developers


Doesn't that apply to any handheld console at the moment?



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MikeRox said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Meh, it deserves what its getting not cause its a bad machine but the way Sony handled it with false promises (imo). When the vita launched, they promised AAA titles and what we got instead is niche games up the ass and AAA titles that are much better in other platforms

If the wiiU deserves to get hate for promising third party titles but not delivering them, the Vita deserves to get hate for promising AAA titles and not delivering them not to metion there are basically close to zero third party support from western developers


Doesn't that apply to any handheld console at the moment?

Yea but Sony promised it a lot more than Nintendo did... Sony was basically like, you get this, you will have the AAA experience! Instead what we got is a half-assed version of virtually all third party western games and poor first party support from sony. Least with Nintendo, you have AAA first party games and they pretty much stopped promising that AAA experience after like the first few months of release... Heck, SSB, one of the biggest titles on Nintendo platform is coming to the 3ds this summer... What is the Vita getting? Fuck all!



                  

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