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ICStats on 07 April 2014
selnor1983 said:
ethomaz said:

selnor1983 said:

Before release it was rumoured one manufacturer was behind schedule. The developers told us MS SDK was behind. It wast garbage, MS just reacted to Sonys early release of PS4. MS were the ones rumoured to release in 2014. So yes MS were behind on SDK in developments aligned with PS4 SDK. The facts were there fo people who waned to read them. It was just not as fun as saying 50% advantage. When it has never worked that way even ith PC GPU's 50% supposed paper specs dont translate into 50% better results at all. Never has never will.

It is 40% and reviews seems to disagree with you...

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/776?vs=857


The site I use differes greatly. More like 10-15%

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-7870-vs-Radeon-HD-7790


Look at the individual results on your site:

41% diff in passmark
43% diff in 3DMark06
41% diff in 3DMark vantage texture fill
58% diff in CLBenchmark raytrace
50% diff in crysis: warhead framerate
47% diff in battlefield 3 framerate

GPUBoss Score is not linear with performance.  If you treat it as % it will have you believe a GTX titan is only 35% faster than a HD 7790 (lol)

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-7790-vs-GeForce-GTX-TITAN

Face it, higher power, double ROPS, faster RAM, same architecture, translate very well into real world performance, especially as you turn up resolution and effects.



My 8th gen collection

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rolltide101x on 08 April 2014
selnor1983 said:
rolltide101x said:
Captain_Tom said:
rolltide101x said:
Captain_Tom said:
rolltide101x said:
All these threads need to be immediately locked. The idea that software can boost fixed hardware by double is impossible. They say the same thing about DirectX on PC but DX9 still has better performance than any of the newer ones....


Hey I am tired of this crap from MS as much as the next guy, but actually DX11 is a lot more efficient than 9.

Define efficient. It looks better with a small performance loss

 

If a game gives you the choice of DX9 or DX11 the DX9 version will run at a higher FPS than the DX11 version (with some graphics loss)

Wrong.  It is common knowledge amongst the PC crowd that cards generally get higher framerate in DX11 mode.  In fact I just did a benchmark myself to confirm it by doing 3 runs of the Metro: 2033 benchmark for both DX9 and DX11:

-The settings were maxed out accept for the DX11 only features.  However DX11 forces you to leave tessalation on.

-DX9: 29 FPS

-DX11: 30 FPS with the added benifits of AAA and Tessalation being on.

 

So yeah bud DX11 gave extra FPS even with the extra DX11 effects on.

Eh, no. It is common knowledge that DX9 gives a higher FPS than DX11...... Your one benchmark for ONE game does not make a fact. I am not arguing that DX9 is better than DX11, DX11 is better overall but DX9 is still the better in terms of performance.

Im sorry your talking rubbish.

“We’re primarily leveraging the increased efficiency of DX11 to give improved performance. The move to DX11 from DX9 has given us around a 300% improvement in rendering performance. This has enabled us to provide an improved image based lighting model over the console version, as well as allowing us to run with higher detail shadows and reflections.”

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/need-for-speed-most-wanted-dx11-offers-300-better-performance-than-dx9/

Our dear friends over at PCGamesHardware.de have interviewed 4A Games, and came up with some interesting details about the PC version of Metro: Last Light. According to Oles Shishkovtsov, Chief Technical Officer at 4A Games, Metro: Last Light’s DX11 API offers 15% improvement over its DX9 API (provided you use the same settings).

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/metro-last-light-tech-details-ssaa-support-dx11-faster-than-dx9-tessellation-physx-modes-explained/

If coded for Direct X 11 properly DX11 can destroy DX9.


Are you even a PC gamer? If a game gives you an option for DX9 or DX11 the DX9 version will almost always give you a higher framerate than the DX11 version. The DX11 version will look better but it will still have a lower framerate if everything else is the same more times than not



EricFabian on 08 April 2014

just PR talk. nothing can make X1 more powerful than PS4



ICStats on 08 April 2014
rolltide101x said:

Are you even a PC gamer? If a game gives you an option for DX9 or DX11 the DX9 version will almost always give you a higher framerate than the DX11 version.

Isn't that usually because the DX9 version will have less effects?



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rolltide101x on 08 April 2014
ICStats said:
rolltide101x said:

Are you even a PC gamer? If a game gives you an option for DX9 or DX11 the DX9 version will almost always give you a higher framerate than the DX11 version.

Isn't that usually because the DX9 version will have less effects?


YES! That is what I am trying to get through to these guys! DX11 is better than DX9 there is no debate about that but to say that playing the exact same game with the same settings DX9 does not have a performance improvement is absolutely false



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EB1994 on 08 April 2014
ironmanDX said:
Desperate?

Seems there are more posts here desperately trying to disprove the theory against someone who actually knows what he's talking about.... Certainly knows more than me.

Are people really that desperate to justify their purchase here? Sad and hilarious at once.

Not saying 100% will happen but a big improvement is coming.

Are you an insider?



EB1994 on 08 April 2014
Zappykins said:
Wow, that would be cool. It's already really nice.

Course some maths people do here would make it nearly 50% more powerful than the another console. But that other one never does anything I asked it to do, so I think I'm good the way things are.

Have you even tried "that other one?"

It's not good to make fun of the OUYA without ever trying it.



ironmanDX on 08 April 2014
EB1994 said:
ironmanDX said:
Desperate?

Seems there are more posts here desperately trying to disprove the theory against someone who actually knows what he's talking about.... Certainly knows more than me.

Are people really that desperate to justify their purchase here? Sad and hilarious at once.

Not saying 100% will happen but a big improvement is coming.

Are you an insider?


Did you read?

The line you bolded was a vague statement. Far from the "impossible" type comments in this thread. DX12 will improve the Xbox One... 



EB1994 on 08 April 2014
ironmanDX said:
EB1994 said:
ironmanDX said:
Desperate?

Seems there are more posts here desperately trying to disprove the theory against someone who actually knows what he's talking about.... Certainly knows more than me.

Are people really that desperate to justify their purchase here? Sad and hilarious at once.

Not saying 100% will happen but a big improvement is coming.

Are you an insider?


Did you read?

The line you bolded was a vague statement. Far from the "impossible" type comments in this thread. DX12 will improve the Xbox One... 

Ohh I thought you were an insider cause you said a big improvement is coming. My bad, seemed like you were certain.



ironmanDX on 08 April 2014
EB1994 said:
ironmanDX said:
EB1994 said:
ironmanDX said:
Desperate?

Seems there are more posts here desperately trying to disprove the theory against someone who actually knows what he's talking about.... Certainly knows more than me.

Are people really that desperate to justify their purchase here? Sad and hilarious at once.

Not saying 100% will happen but a big improvement is coming.

Are you an insider?


Did you read?

The line you bolded was a vague statement. Far from the "impossible" type comments in this thread. DX12 will improve the Xbox One... 

Ohh I thought you were an insider cause you said a big improvement is coming. My bad, seemed like you were certain.


What?!? MS themselves have said that an improvement is coming... Phil Spencer has even tweeted about it... Nothing to do with being an insider, that's for sure.