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Diomedes1976 said:
Darc Requiem said:

OriGin said:
Wow... even I think that some people in this thread are far to negative on the PS3. I don't think there is anything to worry about... doom and gloom callers for the PS3 are simply optimistic thinking fans of opposing consoles. Why do people want Sony to fail so badly? There is a reason the PS2 won last generation, and that's because there was the biggest selection of best games on PS2. Why do people want the company that brought you that to fail? Or the PS3 to fail?

1. The PS3 is a magnificent piece of hardware, why talk it down for? The things it's capable of and the things Cell is capable of are mighty impressive.

2. The Wii can't do everything the PS3 can and the PS3 can't do everything the Wii can... they are meant for different purposes, but I'd rather have both. HD graphics are something I personally can't live without and if all the games consoles were as powerful as the Wii I would be upset because I like the leap in power.

3. I don't think PS3 is doomed, not when the good games come and not when the price goes down... most people are waiting for these reasons to buy one and Sony is in their transition period, they are supporting TWO consoles at the moment, introducing one while the other one dies. It's not hard math..

All of that said I don't think the PS3 will be the market leader this gen, but people thinking that devs are going to pull all their efforts AWAY from PS3 in favor of Wii or 360 are mad. + Gran Turismo 5 is enough alone to keep the PS3 alive.


1. Its really doesn't matter what the PS3 is capable of without games. The X-box and Gamecube were more capable than the PS2. Yet the PS2 dominated the market.

2. They both have different philosphies behind them but at the core they are game consoles. They are meant to play games. All of the extraneous features whether it be the Wii Weather Channel or Folding@Home are inconsequential to most gamers.

3. This is the same flawed argument I see repeated constantly. The PS3 is not going to get more and more good games with substandard sales. The slowest selling console gets the least support. It was assumed that the PS3 would be the market leader so developers threw the majority of their support behind it. Now that PS3 is out and its is continuing to lag behind in sales more and more developers are shifting their support behind the Wii and the 360. At first it was smaller developers like From Software but now its larger developers like EA, Capcom, Sega, and Namco. Your point about them being in transition is moot. They were in transition when the PS2 launched. The PS2 took seven years to get to weekly hardware sales level that the PS3 is at in Japan after six months.

People that think developers are going to pull their efforts from PS3 and on to the 360 and Wii aren't mad. They are just stating the facts. Developers are already doing this. The PS3 is not only lagging behind in hardware sales but its lagging behind software sales as well. This is understandable in the US and Europe because it is behind both the Wii and 360 in hardware sales, but not in Japan. The PS3 has outsold the 360 2.5 to 1 in Japan and yet the 360 has continued to sell more software.

I will ask this question. Maybe someone will finally answer it. I have seen the argument used that the PS3 will make some sort of comeback in a couple of years. What is this based on? In a couple of years the PS3 will be a niche console. If you look at history the only console to make a comeback over a major competitor was the SNES. Its never sold as poorly in comparison to the competition as the PS3. Unlike the PS3, the SNES was competitive from a pricing standpoint from the beginning.


 

 

The fact is that each and every game announced recently is also planned for the PS3 .The fact is that it will get 100% support from the occidental and japanese developer community and that the X360 wont get as much in the later excepting some heavy hitters as Capcom or Namco.The fact is that as hard as you want to believe otherwise the PS3 actually , and with its poor sales , is selling more worlwide that the X360 .The fact is that the supposed X360 domination worlwide depends on the PS3 selling 10-15K consoles per week in Japan because once it arrives to the 25K figures it will put nearly 100K consoles of difference per month against the 65K-70K monthly advantage the X360 can actually manage in the USA (and that without having in count the european sales ,where even if it was selling slowly the PS3 would still beat the lagging X360 ) .

The fact is that the PS3 is very expensive and doesnt have too much games as most are in developement right now .Once the games start flowing and maybe the price gets cut we will see how much the PS3 can sell ,right now we are selling how much the X360 can sell at 400 and it isnt more than the PS3 at 600 ..its natural to understand the PS3 at 400 and with more games will do way better .


Diomedes how have you come to this conclusion that the PS3 is selling better than the 360 right now? The PS3 has gained little ground if any on the 360 since it launched. The 360 was 6 million ahead of the PS3 at its US launch and it is still 6 million units ahead of the PS3. I was expecting the PS3 to close on the 360 after its Euro launch. After the recording setting first week, PS3 sales have nose dived in Europe. The 360 starts receiving its major release this month and the only increase in number the closer we get to Christmas. The PS3 doesn't get its major releases until later this year and that still won't change the fact that the PS3 is going to be the most expensive system. If/when (I'm leaning towards when at this point) Sony drops the price on the PS3, MS will be able to meet or exceed their price drop. Not only that, they will be able to do so without taking a loss on each unit sold.

BTW, why did you completely avoid my point regarding PS3 software sales in Japan? It doesn't matter if the PS3 out sells the 360 in Japan if the 360 is selling more software. A console with a mostly western leaning software lineup thats getting out sold 2.5 to 1, should not be selling more games than the eastern leaning PS3. The whole reason Japanese third parties are supposed to be apprehensive about the 360 is because of a lack of software sells in their home market. Even if it faltered in the West, the PS3 was supposed to provide a safety net of sorts for Japanese developers looking for big sales of HD focused games in Japan. If its not providing that safety net, what would be the purpose of continued heavy PS3 support by Japanese third party developers?



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I just wonder if Blu-Ray won't be outdated in a couple years. I cannot imagine that digital movie distribution is that far off. And both the 360 and the PS3 can distribute movies over their networks. The MP3 killed the CD, so its only logical that the MPG will kill the DVD or BluRay.



I only say this: If PS3 = Doomed = X360 for sure doomed = Wii the winner;






konnichiwa said:
I only say this: If PS3 = Doomed = X360 for sure doomed = Wii the winner;

Congratulations, your post contains precisely zero information. Care to give any reasons for that?



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My god! So much focusing only on the current, no thought about the future. @ Darc 1. Yeah, I wasn't talking in terms of games, I'm talking in terms of physical hardware design and engineering. Fact of the matter is the PS3 is a well engineered piece of powerful machinery, that's all I'm saying here. There are no really good games on the PS3 and I agree it needs software, but there is no disputing the physical power that the console has - please use it someone... 2. Dunno what you're saying, but I think you just mean that you agree with me and that they are two games consoles with different philosophies, yeah? Well that's what I meant in my post, but for me as a gamer I wont get everything I want with JUST a Wii, and I wont get everything I want with JUST a PS3 or JUST a 360. 3. You call it a flawed argument about the good games coming... I'm not the most avid of PS3 supporters but at the moment I'm just trying to defend it because honestly, it deserves to be defended. It's not a flawed argument, because companies are already too far gone in the development of much great exclusive content... it has the good games coming, and they've been touted many times (and NO i DO NOT mean Lair, my opinion on the floppage of this game is well known) @ John Lucas Yep, as usual I agree completely with you. I think that Sony is in for a bit of a wake up call this generation but I don't think it will kick them out of the business, and I don't think that they will come in last position, there is too much strength on a world wide basis for them to lose to 360. I don't doubt anything that you say, and i'll be impressed myself if the Wii hits 20 million by the end of the year and overtakes 360 by July like you say :) @ NJ5 and cansan Do people always change their tune like this? Or were people not that happy with the PS2 as to not give a company a little bit of lee-way. I see the same thing happening now as it did with the PS2, it feels the same as the release of the PS2 after the Dreamcast, and the PS2 DID get a lot of negative press when it first released, and a lot of people tried to weigh it down - - it just kept building steam and took the pole position however. I don't think people should look down on Sony for the price of the PS3. DEFINITELY their PR is in the arse at the moment, but launching high and reducing is a good tactic... rope the early adopters and lose less money on them. When the price drop will come? No one knows... I doubt during 2007 but Sony is still milking the PS2 to death at the moment, anyone can see that Sony is in a transfer period, and their transfer period isn't like the other two companies (Xbox and GameCube get dropped like rocks - - albeit both companies probably wanted to rid themselves and start fresh where as Sony would like to milk PS2 as much as they can). Just watch the PS3 start to pick up in 2008. @ Diomedes What makes you think that people who want Halo have already bought the console? I don't think that's true... Halo 3 will be the biggest and longest serving system seller for the 360 and it will continue to sell for the rest of the 360's life when it comes out (if it meets expectations, and really - even if it doesn't). It's silly to say that everyone who wants Halo already has a 360. Halo 2 sold more than 7.5 million copies world wide dude, on a console that had a 40 mil user base that's an attach of about 19%. The current 360 user base is just about 10 mil so if the attach rate stays the same on 360 (which it should actually grow being a continuing franchise on a new system) than what you're saying is that Halo 3 will only sell 1.9 million copies. That's far too low for this game especially when Gears has sold almost 4 million and Halo 3 is a FAR bigger game than this. Personally I think there are AT LEAST 2 million people that will snap up a 360 for Halo and other games, Halo is just the actual system selling game for those users. Fair analysis? @ Darc x 2 Sales of PS3 being beaten by 360 doesn't really mean MUCH at the moment... it's certainly not good, it's just because 360 has more games out there selling at a very low level and therefore it causes the total to be higher... totals on software on a weekly basis aren't a great thing to look at, because with big releases etc they fluctuate greatly (look at weeks with big PS2 releases in Japan recently it snaps up a big portion of the pie). PS3 has had no games for AGES and doesn't have any more games for AGES and therefore, no games getting purchased! Simple matter is, the PS3 is really only appealing to 'core' gamers at the moment and the core gamers pick up the games they want on day one... when there are no games coming out then no one is picking it up, doesn't mean that those gamers aren't there ready to buy games. What Sony needs is more 'core' gamers to make the move to PS3 but at the moment there is no reason for them to do so... there will be eventually. Hopefully that's not too long a post, although I know it will be.



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hi im from venezuela, well in my country (i hate chavez ok) the wii is selling very good, im work in a video game store, i sold in december nearly 150 wii (this a lot in venezuela ok), but the price is soo high compare to US price (1.400.000 bs = 650 $) and we sell 82 xbox 360 at the price of 1.800.000 bs = 830 $ and sell 2 ps3 60 gb at the incredible price of 6.000.000 bs = 2780 $, well in conclusion the xbox 360 is going very well in venezuela same the wii but the ps3 is doing veryyyy baddddd due to high price and very expensive price of the games (nearly 150 $).



To say that the Playstation 3 is doomed is essentially saying that Sony has lost control of the Playstation's fate and its new destiny is not particularly good ...

I don't think the PS3 has hit that point yet but if Sony doesn't start acting immediately the PS3 will become "Doomed" far sooner than Sony thinks. The biggest problem with Sony pricing the PS3 at $600 is that Sony didn't provide $600 of value to gamers; certainly it is a Blu-Ray player and George Forman Grill all in one but the PS3 really needed a diverse library at launch and a steady stream (2 or more per month) of high quality exclusive games.

The current rate of game releases means that the PS3 has a very low value to gamers, and the current sales of the PS3 is shaking the confidence of developers; being that these problems work against eachother Sony really has to act quickly. As I see it Sony has two choices, they can boost the value of the PS3 by spending money to secure high-quality exclusive titles (50 brown paper envelopes with $5 Million or more in each should do the trick), or they can reduce the price of the system ($200 price reduction seems appropriate).



personally i think sony screwed the pooch this time around, more people are buying it as a BR player than a game console. because it is one of the least expensive BR players around. IF sony had released the PS3 at a price competitive level- ie THE SAME AS THE XBOX360... the sales would be Significantly better than they currently are. but they didn't do that. they released a higher priced console - for most people- that is equivulant to a lesser priced console (the 360). if the games look the same to most people, those people are going to buy the lesser priced console. as to the winner of the console race this time around by 2010: wii first with ~55-60% market share 360 second with 25% market share ps3 third with 15-20% market share ps3 and xbox360 with "share" the exclusives(most will be released on 360, ps3 and pc) and the wii will get the most console exclusive titles (only on wii).



To say that the Playstation 3 is doomed is essentially saying that Sony has lost control of the Playstation's fate Exactly. Of COURSE Sony has no control. The philosophy the company has when DESIGNING the console is infinitely more important than anything they can do after the console is launched. (See: Gamecube. Yamauchi was a leader with no clear vision when GC was created. Iwata stepped in in 2002. There was absolutely nothing Iwata could do at that point to turn the GC around. We now are seeing that Iwata is in fact a great leader and visionary, but even he had no chance to turn the company around until waiting through a failed generation.) All they can do is control the degree of failure. Their success in the marketplace is now directly related to how much money they are willing to lose on aggressive price cuts, marketing, paying for exclusives, etc.



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Origin, I understand you are playing the devil's advocate. The good games are coming argument is still quite flawed. Developers have already began to hedge their bets as far as the PS3 is concerned. Developers that were firmly in Sony's corner are already waivering on their PS3 support. Exclusive games are going multiplatform. Instead of continuing to have the majority of their development teams focus on the PS3, they are shifting that focus on to Sony's competitors. You are going to start seeing more and more multiplatform games on PS3 that are substandard in comparison to the 360 version. The smaller userbase means that PS3 multiplatform ports are going to be done on a shoe string budget. The PS3 is going end up with the crappy ports that the Gamecube got last gen. Sure the PS3 has some potential AAA titles coming down the pike. The problem is that so does Sony's competitors. The bigger problem is that even without a major releases, their competitors seem to be able to sell hardware at a decent rate. More over, Sony has to make up more than just the sales deficit they are facing now. What do I mean? Microsoft and Nintendo are going to see huge sales increases upon the release of their major titles. The PS3 is going to have surpass increased sales that its competitors will experience upon the release of their major titles. That is going to be a tall order for the most expensive console on the market. The worse thing for the PS3 is that its in the worse possible position a game console can be in. The PS3 needs games as well as a price drop to sell. The longer its sales lag behind the fewer games that will be planned for it. Any price drop that they can afford can be equaled by their competitors. The Wii is already at the edge of the mass market price level. Any price drop will push it further into the impulse buying range. The 360 is a $100 price drop away from being on the edge of the mass market pricing level. The PS3 would have to cut its price in half to be at the edge of the mass market price range. Even with the rumored component price reductions the PS3 is still losing over $100 per unit at current pricing levels. How much of price drop can Sony truly afford given the losses they've already incurred on PS3 hardware sales as well as the R&D costs?