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My god! So much focusing only on the current, no thought about the future. @ Darc 1. Yeah, I wasn't talking in terms of games, I'm talking in terms of physical hardware design and engineering. Fact of the matter is the PS3 is a well engineered piece of powerful machinery, that's all I'm saying here. There are no really good games on the PS3 and I agree it needs software, but there is no disputing the physical power that the console has - please use it someone... 2. Dunno what you're saying, but I think you just mean that you agree with me and that they are two games consoles with different philosophies, yeah? Well that's what I meant in my post, but for me as a gamer I wont get everything I want with JUST a Wii, and I wont get everything I want with JUST a PS3 or JUST a 360. 3. You call it a flawed argument about the good games coming... I'm not the most avid of PS3 supporters but at the moment I'm just trying to defend it because honestly, it deserves to be defended. It's not a flawed argument, because companies are already too far gone in the development of much great exclusive content... it has the good games coming, and they've been touted many times (and NO i DO NOT mean Lair, my opinion on the floppage of this game is well known) @ John Lucas Yep, as usual I agree completely with you. I think that Sony is in for a bit of a wake up call this generation but I don't think it will kick them out of the business, and I don't think that they will come in last position, there is too much strength on a world wide basis for them to lose to 360. I don't doubt anything that you say, and i'll be impressed myself if the Wii hits 20 million by the end of the year and overtakes 360 by July like you say :) @ NJ5 and cansan Do people always change their tune like this? Or were people not that happy with the PS2 as to not give a company a little bit of lee-way. I see the same thing happening now as it did with the PS2, it feels the same as the release of the PS2 after the Dreamcast, and the PS2 DID get a lot of negative press when it first released, and a lot of people tried to weigh it down - - it just kept building steam and took the pole position however. I don't think people should look down on Sony for the price of the PS3. DEFINITELY their PR is in the arse at the moment, but launching high and reducing is a good tactic... rope the early adopters and lose less money on them. When the price drop will come? No one knows... I doubt during 2007 but Sony is still milking the PS2 to death at the moment, anyone can see that Sony is in a transfer period, and their transfer period isn't like the other two companies (Xbox and GameCube get dropped like rocks - - albeit both companies probably wanted to rid themselves and start fresh where as Sony would like to milk PS2 as much as they can). Just watch the PS3 start to pick up in 2008. @ Diomedes What makes you think that people who want Halo have already bought the console? I don't think that's true... Halo 3 will be the biggest and longest serving system seller for the 360 and it will continue to sell for the rest of the 360's life when it comes out (if it meets expectations, and really - even if it doesn't). It's silly to say that everyone who wants Halo already has a 360. Halo 2 sold more than 7.5 million copies world wide dude, on a console that had a 40 mil user base that's an attach of about 19%. The current 360 user base is just about 10 mil so if the attach rate stays the same on 360 (which it should actually grow being a continuing franchise on a new system) than what you're saying is that Halo 3 will only sell 1.9 million copies. That's far too low for this game especially when Gears has sold almost 4 million and Halo 3 is a FAR bigger game than this. Personally I think there are AT LEAST 2 million people that will snap up a 360 for Halo and other games, Halo is just the actual system selling game for those users. Fair analysis? @ Darc x 2 Sales of PS3 being beaten by 360 doesn't really mean MUCH at the moment... it's certainly not good, it's just because 360 has more games out there selling at a very low level and therefore it causes the total to be higher... totals on software on a weekly basis aren't a great thing to look at, because with big releases etc they fluctuate greatly (look at weeks with big PS2 releases in Japan recently it snaps up a big portion of the pie). PS3 has had no games for AGES and doesn't have any more games for AGES and therefore, no games getting purchased! Simple matter is, the PS3 is really only appealing to 'core' gamers at the moment and the core gamers pick up the games they want on day one... when there are no games coming out then no one is picking it up, doesn't mean that those gamers aren't there ready to buy games. What Sony needs is more 'core' gamers to make the move to PS3 but at the moment there is no reason for them to do so... there will be eventually. Hopefully that's not too long a post, although I know it will be.