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fleischr on 21 March 2014

Fact: We have too many Nintendo doomed/undoomed threads and articles

Fact: There are some who just way to much interest dooming/undooming Nintendo

Fact: Regardless of technical weakness/parity/strength of their consoles, Nintendo makes a good number of great games that most people enjoy. Dooming the company doesn't change that or make competing offerings significantly better. Undooming doesn't make anyone enjoy the games much moreso either.

pretty much a Fact: Nintendo can withstand WiiU falling below GC levels for next few years then launch a new console with new games

pretty much a fact: Nintendo can withstand 3DS to start creeping downwards over the next few years then launch a new console with new games

pretty much a fact: Nintendo will do what it must to compete in the marketplace, but that doesn't mean there's a very reasonable chance of the company going 3rd party. There are a lot of easy to accomplish improvements they could implement to make them successful as a standalone hardware/software maker.



I predict NX launches in 2017 - not 2016

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Pavolink on 21 March 2014

Uh, this is supposed to be a bussines company which should make profits, not to post deficit and take money from the bank.



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Samus Aran on 21 March 2014

They should use that money to fix my 3DS for free. >.>

Nintentacle on 21 March 2014

I didn't post on this? Oh... Well, they are still sort of doomed.



CleggaZ on 21 March 2014

It's like the old saying goes "if you don't use it you lose it". It would be better IMHO for Nintendo to spend some money through acquisitions and expanding into other industry’s( mobile,Pc etc) than waste the money through loses and become floccinaucinihilipilificated.



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QuintonMcLeod on 21 March 2014
Mythmaker1 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
Mythmaker1 said:

No, but it shows that trying to predict a company's longevity using their cash reserves (which as those links show can fluctuate wildly from year to year) rather than analyzing their business model makes very little sense.

Ah, ok. So, using your logic here (which I'm not saying is bad), I can safely assume with the utmost accuracy, that Sony will go bankrupt very soon. I mean, Sony has no money in the bank and they've been bleeding cash for a decade now. 

Hmm.... Now I think I understand how the real world actually works. Thanks, buddy!

I've poked through Nintendo's financials in the past, but I've never given much attention to Sony's. Most of what I know about their financial situation is second or third hand, so I'm probably not in a position to say.

With that said, it sounds like you're trying to predict Sony's longeviry using their cash reserves, rather than analyzing their business.

Oh, but I did analyze their  business. I just put it in simple terms. It's one thing to not have money, but it's another thing to be in the red for over a decade. To assume a company is too large to go bankrupt is silly, don't you think? Sony now has announced The Morpheus VR headset for the PS4, but has very few games to promote it with. Why would a company who needs to watch it's financial situation waste even more money developing a device that won't take off? It's very risky, I have to admit, but Sony is doing it. Add that with several other very poor business decisions and you've got yourself a mound of problems.



Mythmaker1 on 21 March 2014
QuintonMcLeod said:
Mythmaker1 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
Mythmaker1 said:

No, but it shows that trying to predict a company's longevity using their cash reserves (which as those links show can fluctuate wildly from year to year) rather than analyzing their business model makes very little sense.

Ah, ok. So, using your logic here (which I'm not saying is bad), I can safely assume with the utmost accuracy, that Sony will go bankrupt very soon. I mean, Sony has no money in the bank and they've been bleeding cash for a decade now. 

Hmm.... Now I think I understand how the real world actually works. Thanks, buddy!

I've poked through Nintendo's financials in the past, but I've never given much attention to Sony's. Most of what I know about their financial situation is second or third hand, so I'm probably not in a position to say.

With that said, it sounds like you're trying to predict Sony's longeviry using their cash reserves, rather than analyzing their business.

Oh, but I did analyze their  business. I just put it in simple terms. It's one thing to not have money, but it's another thing to be in the red for over a decade. To assume a company is too large to go bankrupt is silly, don't you think? Sony now has announced The Morpheus VR headset for the PS4, but has very few games to promote it with. Why would a company who needs to watch it's financial situation waste even more money developing a device that won't take off? It's very risky, I have to admit, but Sony is doing it. Add that with several other very poor business decisions and you've got yourself a mound of problems.

Pretty sound analysis. Didn't realize Sony was serious about the whole VR thing until I looked it up just now. It's risky, that's for sure, and it probably won't take off, but depending on what they try to do with it might not end up a complete waste of time. Assuming they're thinking along those lines, or for that matter thinking at all.

The point about games might not be too big a concern yet, though. From what I understand, GDC really is more developer conference than press event. It could be that they're trying to drum up interest on the developer side now, and waiting for E3 to actually sell to the press. I don't know if that's how they do things, though.



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QuintonMcLeod on 22 March 2014
Mythmaker1 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
Mythmaker1 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
Mythmaker1 said:

No, but it shows that trying to predict a company's longevity using their cash reserves (which as those links show can fluctuate wildly from year to year) rather than analyzing their business model makes very little sense.

Ah, ok. So, using your logic here (which I'm not saying is bad), I can safely assume with the utmost accuracy, that Sony will go bankrupt very soon. I mean, Sony has no money in the bank and they've been bleeding cash for a decade now. 

Hmm.... Now I think I understand how the real world actually works. Thanks, buddy!

I've poked through Nintendo's financials in the past, but I've never given much attention to Sony's. Most of what I know about their financial situation is second or third hand, so I'm probably not in a position to say.

With that said, it sounds like you're trying to predict Sony's longeviry using their cash reserves, rather than analyzing their business.

Oh, but I did analyze their  business. I just put it in simple terms. It's one thing to not have money, but it's another thing to be in the red for over a decade. To assume a company is too large to go bankrupt is silly, don't you think? Sony now has announced The Morpheus VR headset for the PS4, but has very few games to promote it with. Why would a company who needs to watch it's financial situation waste even more money developing a device that won't take off? It's very risky, I have to admit, but Sony is doing it. Add that with several other very poor business decisions and you've got yourself a mound of problems.

Pretty sound analysis. Didn't realize Sony was serious about the whole VR thing until I looked it up just now. It's risky, that's for sure, and it probably won't take off, but depending on what they try to do with it might not end up a complete waste of time. Assuming they're thinking along those lines, or for that matter thinking at all.

The point about games might not be too big a concern yet, though. From what I understand, GDC really is more developer conference than press event. It could be that they're trying to drum up interest on the developer side now, and waiting for E3 to actually sell to the press. I don't know if that's how they do things, though.

I certainly hope not...

People need to stop telling Nintendo what they need to do and start helping Sony. Sony seriously needs the advice!



Mythmaker1 on 22 March 2014
QuintonMcLeod said:
Mythmaker1 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
Mythmaker1 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
Mythmaker1 said:

No, but it shows that trying to predict a company's longevity using their cash reserves (which as those links show can fluctuate wildly from year to year) rather than analyzing their business model makes very little sense.

Ah, ok. So, using your logic here (which I'm not saying is bad), I can safely assume with the utmost accuracy, that Sony will go bankrupt very soon. I mean, Sony has no money in the bank and they've been bleeding cash for a decade now. 

Hmm.... Now I think I understand how the real world actually works. Thanks, buddy!

I've poked through Nintendo's financials in the past, but I've never given much attention to Sony's. Most of what I know about their financial situation is second or third hand, so I'm probably not in a position to say.

With that said, it sounds like you're trying to predict Sony's longeviry using their cash reserves, rather than analyzing their business.

Oh, but I did analyze their  business. I just put it in simple terms. It's one thing to not have money, but it's another thing to be in the red for over a decade. To assume a company is too large to go bankrupt is silly, don't you think? Sony now has announced The Morpheus VR headset for the PS4, but has very few games to promote it with. Why would a company who needs to watch it's financial situation waste even more money developing a device that won't take off? It's very risky, I have to admit, but Sony is doing it. Add that with several other very poor business decisions and you've got yourself a mound of problems.

Pretty sound analysis. Didn't realize Sony was serious about the whole VR thing until I looked it up just now. It's risky, that's for sure, and it probably won't take off, but depending on what they try to do with it might not end up a complete waste of time. Assuming they're thinking along those lines, or for that matter thinking at all.

The point about games might not be too big a concern yet, though. From what I understand, GDC really is more developer conference than press event. It could be that they're trying to drum up interest on the developer side now, and waiting for E3 to actually sell to the press. I don't know if that's how they do things, though.

I certainly hope not...

People need to stop telling Nintendo what they need to do and start helping Sony. Sony seriously needs the advice!

Both companies are suffering from the same problem. The industries that they exist in are going through massive transitions, and neither is adapting well to the current environment.



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Soundwave on 22 March 2014

Cash reserves aren't the be all end all though. Blackberry had/has pretty large cash reserves too ... it doesn't mean a lot if you become irrelevant to the larger part of the market and can only sell to a core group of loyalists.