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Zero999 on 16 March 2014
Conina said:
The Game Boy was lauched in April 1989, the Game Boy Color was launched in October 1998.
That's a 9.5 year gap with huge technical improvements.

The GBC also had many retail games, that didn't work on the other Game Boys. Sure, it could also play all other Game Boy modules, but that's backward compatibility.

No matter how Nintendo categorises it, the GBC was the successor of the Game Boy, not the same handheld generation.

The DSi on the other hand had no retail games, that didn't work on the other DS models. The DSi enhancements of some titles were minor improvements, no system sellers. The downloadable DSi games also were smaller "indie" titles, no must-haves.

WRONG. it was a different model of the same system. a few games were gbc only, like, VERY FEW games. when 99,99% of the library runs on both, it makes no sense to categorize it as a new console.



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DerNebel on 16 March 2014
Zero999 said:
Conina said:
The Game Boy was lauched in April 1989, the Game Boy Color was launched in October 1998.
That's a 9.5 year gap with huge technical improvements.

The GBC also had many retail games, that didn't work on the other Game Boys. Sure, it could also play all other Game Boy modules, but that's backward compatibility.

No matter how Nintendo categorises it, the GBC was the successor of the Game Boy, not the same handheld generation.

The DSi on the other hand had no retail games, that didn't work on the other DS models. The DSi enhancements of some titles were minor improvements, no system sellers. The downloadable DSi games also were smaller "indie" titles, no must-haves.

WRONG. it was a different model of the same system. a few games were gbc only, like, VERY FEW games. when 99,99% of the library runs on both, it makes no sense to categorize it as a new console.

What? That is absolutely wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Game_Boy_Color_games



Cheebee on 16 March 2014
retroking1981 said:

 

Cheebee said:

Lol whut? 

GBC games did not have better graphics than GB. It only added color, nothing else. However, if you think otherwise, I would very much like to see some examples? Please? XD



Any clear GBC cart. Look at the bottom right. ONLY FOR GAME BOY COLOR.

It CANNOT be played on a Game Boy.

How is this even debatable?

The GBC can display 56 colours the GB 4! Can you explain why you think they are the same please?

Yes, so you're agreeing with me. It added colour, nothing else. The screen ratio and amount of pixels and such was exactly the same. We were specifically discussing graphical improvements, besides the obvious addition of colour.

I asked for an example of GBC games having better graphics than GB ones, and you show me a cartridge? ... Ok then. Now, screens, please?



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Conina on 16 March 2014
Cheebee said:
retroking1981 said:
Cheebee said:

Lol whut? 

GBC games did not have better graphics than GB. It only added color, nothing else. However, if you think otherwise, I would very much like to see some examples? Please? XD

The GBC can display 56 colours the GB 4! Can you explain why you think they are the same please?

Yes, so you're agreeing with me. It added colour, nothing else. The screen ratio and amount of pixels and such was exactly the same. We were specifically discussing graphical improvements, besides the obvious addition of colour.

I asked for an example of GBC games having better graphics than GB ones, and you show me a cartridge? ... Ok then. Now, screens, please?

How is an increase from 4 colors to 56 colors NOT an immense graphical improvement? It's nearly a jump from CGA to VGA.

They didn't just gave each of the 4 grey shades a color and left it at 4, they enhanced the color palette to 32k and the simultaneously displayable colors to 56, allowing much more detailed graphic with natural color gradients.

There are other ways to enhance the graphics than enhancing the resolution.



Cheebee on 16 March 2014
Conina said:
Cheebee said:
retroking1981 said:
Cheebee said:

Lol whut? 

GBC games did not have better graphics than GB. It only added color, nothing else. However, if you think otherwise, I would very much like to see some examples? Please? XD

The GBC can display 56 colours the GB 4! Can you explain why you think they are the same please?

Yes, so you're agreeing with me. It added colour, nothing else. The screen ratio and amount of pixels and such was exactly the same. We were specifically discussing graphical improvements, besides the obvious addition of colour.

I asked for an example of GBC games having better graphics than GB ones, and you show me a cartridge? ... Ok then. Now, screens, please?

How is an increase from 4 colors to 56 colors NOT an immense graphical improvement? It's nearly a jump from CGA to VGA.

They didn't just gave each of the 4 grey shades a color and left it at 4, they enhanced the color palette to 32k and the simultaneously displayable colors to 56, allowing much more detailed graphic with natural color gradients.

There are other ways to enhance the graphics than enhancing the resolution.

Ok. Good to see we're agreeing, then.



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Kasz216 on 16 March 2014
Turkish said:
MohammadBadir said:
Yea. Though it's not really that impressive of a milestone when in the end Sony does in 10 years what Nintendid in 4.


Sigh excuses again. PSP was able to stay 10 years on the market, GBA only 4, Nintendo killed it becuz it wasnt selling anymore(like the Wii, good first few years and then runs out of steam).

Eh, that seems like a lie of omission and juicing of what "selling" counts as.

The GBA was outselling the yeah the PSP was launched.  PSP launched in March, but it being the release should of more then countered that, with GBA sales in 2005 equal to 2nd year PSP sales.

In a universe where the DS doesn't come out... the GBA would of undoubtly done PSP level numbers for a number of years.

Hell when the Gameboy Micro released in Japan it outsold the PSP.  I can't imagine the PSP ever outselling the VIta with a hardware redesign.

So it is totally fair to say that the reason the PSP will beat the GBA is because it's legs were cut out from underneath it prematurely.

That said, if Lebron Blows out his knee and gets beat by the Pacers, it's not like anybody is going to hand the Heat a trophy.

Had PSP had GBA sales for the PSP, We probably still wouldn't have the vita.



IsawYoshi on 16 March 2014
Conina said:
The Game Boy was lauched in April 1989, the Game Boy Color was launched in October 1998.
That's a 9.5 year gap with huge technical improvements.

The GBC also had many retail games, that didn't work on the other Game Boys. Sure, it could also play all other Game Boy modules, but that's backward compatibility.

No matter how Nintendo categorises it, the GBC was the successor of the Game Boy, not the same handheld generation.

The DSi on the other hand had no retail games, that didn't work on the other DS models. The DSi enhancements of some titles were minor improvements, no system sellers. The downloadable DSi games also were smaller "indie" titles, no must-haves.


Funny story. The dsi actually HAD exclusive retail games. Huh! Not to mention, not all normal ds games can be played on a dsi. Even more huh! Would you look at that, I guess the dsi never was an upgrade anyways!



Conina on 16 March 2014
IsawYoshi said:

Funny story. The dsi actually HAD exclusive retail games. Huh! Not to mention, not all normal ds games can be played on a dsi. Even more huh! Would you look at that, I guess the dsi never was an upgrade anyways!

You are right! 1 unreleased and 4 locally release, none of them worldwide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_DSi_games

Wow, that changes everything! ;)

But the GBC sure is an odd case... it's a 5th generation handheld and marked as "successor" of the 4th generation Game Boys, not a redesign. And sometimes the numbers are counted seperately (87.66m Game Boys, 31.03 GBCs), sometimes together:



supernihilist on 16 March 2014

Turkish. what are you talking about?
Dont spin things, Sony sold 80 mil in 10 years, Nintendo 80 mil in 5 years. end of story



Turkish on 17 March 2014
Kasz216 said:
Turkish said:
MohammadBadir said:
Yea. Though it's not really that impressive of a milestone when in the end Sony does in 10 years what Nintendid in 4.


Sigh excuses again. PSP was able to stay 10 years on the market, GBA only 4, Nintendo killed it becuz it wasnt selling anymore(like the Wii, good first few years and then runs out of steam).

Eh, that seems like a lie of omission and juicing of what "selling" counts as.

The GBA was outselling the yeah the PSP was launched.  PSP launched in March, but it being the release should of more then countered that, with GBA sales in 2005 equal to 2nd year PSP sales.

In a universe where the DS doesn't come out... the GBA would of undoubtly done PSP level numbers for a number of years.

Hell when the Gameboy Micro released in Japan it outsold the PSP.  I can't imagine the PSP ever outselling the VIta with a hardware redesign.

So it is totally fair to say that the reason the PSP will beat the GBA is because it's legs were cut out from underneath it prematurely.

That said, if Lebron Blows out his knee and gets beat by the Pacers, it's not like anybody is going to hand the Heat a trophy.

Had PSP had GBA sales for the PSP, We probably still wouldn't have the vita.


What? You got any numbers to back up any of your claims? You're jumping from a certain point in time in America and then somehow jump to a certain point in time in Japan to claim GBA>PSP.

The GBA sp managed to sell less than 7m in 2005, the PSP had 15 million LTD by end of 2015 (only sold 350k in 2004 Japan launch).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Boy_Advance_SP#Sales_information

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=7929

You got a source for Micro outselling the PSP? Why does it matter? Was it also outselling the DS? The PSP was beating the 3DS, and PS3 super slim is beating the WiiU.  You cant imagine the PSP ever outselling Vita again but the concept of old hw>new hw isn't new, it's happening every week. The micro was so successful that it only sold 2.4m in 2 years worldwide despite costing 99 euro.

The GBA was falling off a cliff and I don't doubt it'd show legs comparable to that of the Wii and DS.  The micro failed to blew in new life to the platform. The PSP scared them to death, it was beating the DS initially. When one platform is in danger and needs saving and Nintendo's in panic mode, it's at the cost of neglecting others (3DS-WiiU story).  If GBA was so successful, it wouldn't have been killed prematurely.

 

Actually wait, the premise of this discussion is wrong anyway. The GBA wasn't killed in 4 years, it was discontinued in 2008 . It lived 7 years.

Yup, very front loaded sales and then plummeted like a rock off a cliff.