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Jega said:
FlamingWeazel said:
Jega said:
Euphoria14 said:
Oh boy... just, wow... uhhh, yeah, is this serious?

Please tell me this thread isn't serious.

I'm serious.

It took me sometime to make this thread. I had to make sure the information was accurate and fair.

Well, you failed. How do you propose hardware gets strnger over time? Sony won't ever improve ps4? How can MS make their weaker GPU faster? Please explain? There is no Catching up unless MS ships a lot better GPU in the x1..period.

The Memory Bandwith is more important.

I wanted to upgrade my PC with a new graphics card. But I guess I'll get far more performance if I just buy some new RAM! Logic! 

No, really, the memory isn't so important and that aside, the PS4 is better in that regard anyway. But I kid you not, faster RAM won't get you anywhere in terms of fps and stuff. 



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Jega said:
FlamingWeazel said:
Jega said:

You are just not getting it. Without the memory the GPU is useless, and visa versa.


I realise that, but fast memory does not offset a weaker gpu period. It just causes a bad bottleneck, and the x1 has worse memory setup as well, only making it worse.  You could put the worlds fastest nasa ram in x1,m the gpu would still cause it to lag behind, a system is only as fast as its slowest part... Nothing any magic can do to make the x1 gpu process better then the ps4's, or even near as close. Ps4 has faster unified ram, so it's a moot point anyway.

the full power of the GPU will not be used.

 


This and most of your post is blatantly false....The ps4 has better ram, it does not need to go through a 32 MB bottlneck of esram (Thats what it is a botleneck many devs have stated).  The full power of thre gpu is held back by CPU, not ram........the full power is still used no matter how slow or fast the instructions get to the gpu period. You dont know what you are talking about. The unified pool gets rid of the middle man, making it faster and more easily accessible to the GPU, period.

 

No ram can jhelp or slow down a gopu, and the x1 does not have better ram, making your entire post even more moot. 32 MB esram is a bottleneck, not an advancement.

 

I repeat, try running a game on PC with blazing ram and a weak gpu what happens? There are benchmarks out there shoping how wrong you really are. Now, take slow ram and out in a  monster gpu i can max any game out with ease. GPU is the single most important aspect of any gaming system.



Kymmi1989 said:
Euphoria14 said:
Jega said:

You are just not getting it. Without the memory the GPU is useless, and visa versa.


Yes, but the PS4 has the better GPU and the better Memory.

Exactly lol... And talking about 32mb of eSRAM

http://gamingbolt.com/c4-engine-may-be-ported-to-xbox-one-but-dealing-with-esram-will-be-unfortunate-in-this-generation

Its causing nothing but problems for engines... 32mb is tiny... Please realize this.. its 8GB of GDDR5 vs 8GB of DDR3 in the end.

You are looking at 32MB vs 8 GIGabyte 

When you should be looking at the difference between SRAM and DDRAM technology.

They are 2 different types of memory technologies.

SRAM is many times faster I dont know by how much.

Plus it does not end with the 8 gig of ddr3 vs ddr 5.

The 32MB of sram matters.

The 32MB of sram can process information while the 8 gig of ddr3 ram can process other information.

PS4 processess everything from the DDR 5 while the Xbox One has 2 seperate memory pools to work with.



We really don't need another thread on this topic. Use the search function, find the numerous tech threads where this topic has arisen before and educate yourself properly before you start yet another thread on a tired topic.

Pay particular attention to posts from drkrohler, permalite, and joethebro plus carefully read any links they may give. Nearly everything in the OP is plain inaccurate and has been rebutted already.



Jega said:
Kymmi1989 said:
Euphoria14 said:
Jega said:

You are just not getting it. Without the memory the GPU is useless, and visa versa.


Yes, but the PS4 has the better GPU and the better Memory.

Exactly lol... And talking about 32mb of eSRAM

http://gamingbolt.com/c4-engine-may-be-ported-to-xbox-one-but-dealing-with-esram-will-be-unfortunate-in-this-generation

Its causing nothing but problems for engines... 32mb is tiny... Please realize this.. its 8GB of GDDR5 vs 8GB of DDR3 in the end.

You are looking at 32MB vs 8 GIGabyte 

When you should be looking at the difference between SRAM and DDRAM technology.

They are 2 different types of memory technologies.

SRAM is many times faster I dont know by how much.

Plus it does not end with the 8 gig of ddr3 vs ddr 5.

The 32MB of sram matters.

The 32MB of sram can process information while the 8 gig of ddr3 ram can process other information.

PS4 processess everything from the DDR 5 while the Xbox One has 2 seperate memory pools to work with.

HINT thats not a good thing for x1 LMAO. 1 fast pool better then 2 pools one with a 32 MB bottleneck. Everything you state is false and has been disproven time and time again. The esram is a bottleneck ask respawn.  None of what you posted helps make up for a weak GPU, it's laughable you are trying to say RAM can make a system perform better over one with fats ram and a 40% more poweffull gpu, show me one benchmark that ever has happened?



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Another example put 512MB of ram into the PS4 and see what happens to the graphics.



Jega said:
Kymmi1989 said:
Euphoria14 said:
Jega said:

You are just not getting it. Without the memory the GPU is useless, and visa versa.


Yes, but the PS4 has the better GPU and the better Memory.

Exactly lol... And talking about 32mb of eSRAM

http://gamingbolt.com/c4-engine-may-be-ported-to-xbox-one-but-dealing-with-esram-will-be-unfortunate-in-this-generation

Its causing nothing but problems for engines... 32mb is tiny... Please realize this.. its 8GB of GDDR5 vs 8GB of DDR3 in the end.

You are looking at 32MB vs 8 GIGabyte 

When you should be looking at the difference between SRAM and DDRAM technology.

They are 2 different types of memory technologies.

SRAM is many times faster I dont know by how much.

Plus it does not end with the 8 gig of ddr3 vs ddr 5.

The 32MB of sram matters.

The 32MB of sram can process information while the 8 gig of ddr3 ram can process other information.

PS4 processess everything from the DDR 5 while the Xbox One has 2 seperate memory pools to work with.

Did you read the article and read how the developer is saying the 32mb eSRAM is a disadvantage rather than an advantage...I know they are different technologies, but I'm throwing in sources now from guy actually working with the two consoles.. I'm done on this post.. I enjoy debating so no hard feelings to anyone :) muah.



Jega said:
Another example put 512MB of ram into the PS4 and see what happens to the graphics.


LOL  how is that the same thing, then the system is ram starved, but both habe 8 gbs of ram. Take out the ps4 gpu , anyone can use hypotheticals...... Amount of ram and ram speed is not the sme thing nor relevant.  Yes you need ram, but esram wont make one system with a weaker gpu pefform better it's impossible.

 

Show me a benchmark of a PC with a 40% better gpu but slower ram where it performed worse in games?  HINT They don't exist, and ps4 has faster unified pool is better then slower ram with 32 mb esram. 32 is too tiny and another middleman to get to the gpu and cpu.



Hilarious, perhaps these arguments might have given hope to some Xbox fans before the launch and available details. But now it is just a joke. 95% have accepted the fact that the PS4 is so much stronger but they don't see it as a big issue. The other 5% is so delusional that it gets annoying. People seem to think that Sony stands still in their development of the console while they probably still will release updates with a lot of improvements. Just as with the PSP and PS3.

Hopefully this thread gets closed.



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elazz said:
Hilarious, perhaps these arguments might have given hope to some Xbox fans before the launch and available details. But now it is just a joke. 95% have accepted the fact that the PS4 is so much stronger but they don't see it as a big issue. The other 5% is so delusional that it gets annoying. People seem to think that Sony stands still in their development of the console while they probably still will release updates with a lot of improvements. Just as with the PSP and PS3.

Hopefully this thread gets closed.

It should because it is beyong logical at this point.