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Zero999 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
Zero999 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:

There comes a time where you have to accept that developers have high priority and low priority systems.

They cant give every system high priority.

Wrong. and if they don't, they will harvest what they sow.


What am I wrong about.... developers having priorities, or you accepting it one day?

developers aren't suposed to pick sides. it's unprofessional, especially when they disrespect consumers, like they're doing.


They're not picking sides, and developers don't get to make decisions like that. Let's put this into perspective. Watch Dogs was due for release in November last year, and a decision was made to delay it for fine-tuning - a tough decision, because it meant missing having it as a launch title for PS4 and X1, and risking an operating loss at the end of their financial year. The company's share price dived by more than 25% at the time. Source

It makes you wonder what state the game would have been in if it had launched in November. Whatever we might speculate on that, Ubisoft clearly didn't consider it was up to the standard they wanted it to be at the time, and delaying it to deliver a higher quality game was evidently considered worth losing out on those things.

Don't forget, every month of delay loses money, both in lost revenues and development costs. Now they've got everything ready to go for all platforms except the Wii U. It seems to make sense to release what they have ready first, and delay the rest until it is done.

And anyway, is it fair to Wii U owners that they get a lesser version than everyone else for the sake of releasing at the same time as everyone else? Everyone has already waited. The Wii U owners will have to wait longer. Yes, it sucks, but making consumers wait for a decent product is not screwing them, and it's not unprofessional.

What is unprofessional and disrespectful is making consumers pay good money for a glitchy or sub-par game that could have been fixed if given a few more months' dev time. And clearly, Ubisoft are doing everything to make sure that doesn't happen.

(edited for clarity)



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Depends.

I don't care that much about delays or what's happening on other consoles.

The quality of the product matters the most and I ask myself if the game is worth my money.

I wouldn't buy a port like AC3/4 at full price months later (when you can have the PS360 versions for 30 Euros). The price would drop to PS360 levels within a very short time and I'd buy it for a reduced price (like most of the late ports of the Wii U launch were at PS360 prices in spring 2013).

But a well-optimized port with good GamePad features and added DLC could be worth the full price for me (although I hate that Ubisoft games lose their value so quickly).



NightDragon83 said:
And this is why 3rd party devs don't respect Nintendo or their fans.

"We'll probably get the last gen version of it, or even worse!"

Gee, maybe if Nintendo didn't put last-gen hardware under the hood, then we wouldn't be talking about this issue would we? Were you seriously expecting the Wii U version of Watch Dogs to be on par with the X1/PS4 versions?

Doesn't matter what he expects if he lives in never-never land.



OP is off his rocker.



Zero999 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
Zero999 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:

There comes a time where you have to accept that developers have high priority and low priority systems.

They cant give every system high priority.

Wrong. and if they don't, they will harvest what they sow.


What am I wrong about.... developers having priorities, or you accepting it one day?

developers aren't suposed to pick sides. it's unprofessional, especially when they disrespect consumers, like they're doing.


What I learned in BUS 101, the main aim of a business is to maximize the wealth of stockholders. By being professional they are doing their job to maximize wealth. None can blame them.



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Zero999 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
Zero999 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:

There comes a time where you have to accept that developers have high priority and low priority systems.

They cant give every system high priority.

Wrong. and if they don't, they will harvest what they sow.


What am I wrong about.... developers having priorities, or you accepting it one day?

developers aren't suposed to pick sides. it's unprofessional, especially when they disrespect consumers, like they're doing.


So how do you propose they make PS3/X360/X1/PS4/wii U/3DS/Vita/PC/OUYA/Android/ios versions all at the same time?



Hedra42 said:
oniyide said:
DevilRising said:
oniyide said:
DevilRising said:
oniyide said:
OP considering the preorders the thing had for the Wii U i dont think you have to worry about it...

and no lets not use that sad install base excuse, that dog dont hunt when the PS4 and Xone versions have MUCH higher preorders


It's a well known fact that, historically speaking, most so-called "Nintendo gamers" don't tend to pre-order NEARLY as much as the PS/XB generation of gamers do.

So? THat makes my point even stronger. If Ubi sees the numbers they are most likely not going to want to support it. What you really thought that Watchdogs would have sold as well as the other versions. Cause historically speaking, 3rd party multiplats do much worst on WIi U. Hell look at MP games between Wii U, PS4 and ONE big difference and you cant even say userbase.


MY point was, that even for Nintendo brand games, most "Nintendo Gamers" tend to pick games up after they release, not go out and pre-order them at Gamestop every time a new "AAA" blockbuster title gets announced. Meaning, that most of them are not part of the "Gamestop Generation" culture.

So Ninty gamers dont preorder, thats fine. But they still end up buying their Ninty games and not much else. Recent sales show that. My point is that preorders show an interest in a game. Hell you're not even right about that. Even Ninty's own games show up on the preorder charts. MK8 is there right now. DKC before that. Where are the 3rd party games for WIi U?

My point is that at no point was Watchdogs on the preorder chart when every other version was on it.

The latest interview with the Watch Dogs producer disproves the second emboldened statement. (source link in my previous post, quoted by Kwaidd, 7 posts before this one)

As for the first emboldened statement: The the top 30 Preorders chart (which is US only) is influenced by a variety of factors, including but not limited to, install base, hype, availability for preorder, popularity of franchise, number of weeks until release, demographic, etc. To take your example, Mario Kart 8 is there at #23 because it's part of a hugely successful franchise, but would probably have had a higher placing if the install base was greater. Just because the preorders don't make the top 30 doesn't mean they're not being preordered. Rayman Legends didn't make the preorder charts on any of the platforms, and it still sold better on PS3 than it did Wii U.

But this is off topic. This thread wasn't created to discuss preorders, it is about whether Nintendo fans should boycott Watch Dogs for Wii U because the game is being delayed, or support Ubisoft in its decision and wait, because the delay will most likely mean a more polished game suited for the Wii U. 

the install base goes out the window, when you consider that there are less Xones out there than WIi Us and Watchdogs has less preorders than the former. So its not really a userbase thing not totally. As for the bolded, if Ubi games keep flopping you bet they will drop support or at least lower support. Danm near everyone else did. Never said that they needed to be in the top 30 to be preordered. BUT if you're not in the top 30 i would bet that those arent large preorder numbers. Hence Watchdogs

Rayman is not a great example, becasue 1 it actually was on the charts, for the Wii U but taht was befoer the delay. It didnt have large numbers. 2 Rayman has always been more popular in Europe. guess which company between Sony and Ninty is more popular their? 3 we dont have preorder numbers for Europe. Rayman was going to always do better on PS3. 

Its not really off topice we are talking about Watchdogs for Wii U OP is saying that Ninty gamers shouldnt buy Watchdogs for Wii U and im saying dont worry alot werent going to anyway. Im using the preorder numbers to show how little interest their is for that particular SKU. Unless you believe that Watchdogs has a chance to do as well as any of the other versions? But you dont believe that. Hell it will sell as well as UBI's other games which is not well at all.



Zero999 said:
Fusioncode said:
morenoingrato said:
No. I disagree.

Ubisoft has been a great supporter of the WiiU. Sure, not an impeccable track record, but they gave us a launch exclusive and very similar lineups compared to other consoles.
Frankly, if they drop support soon, I wouldn't blame them. They gain nothing from supporting the WiiU.

Hey, I'm all up for pirating and boycotting things like Mass Effect 3 U, but we should give credit where it is due.

Awful, awful attitude to have. EA may suck but developers worked hard on ME3. If people just pirate it instead of buying it then the game will have no chance of becoming profitable and EA will blame the developer for it. They'll in turn get screwed over just because people hate their publisher. Piracy doesn't just hurt the horrible executives at EA. 

you can't possibly be serious about that. defending ME3 released a week later than ME trilogy everywhere else EXCEPT wii u?

Why don't you read my post and try again? I was not "defending" EA. I was talking about how Piracy is wrong and hurts more people than just some scumbag exectuives. 



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

fps_d0minat0r said:
Zero999 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
Zero999 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:

There comes a time where you have to accept that developers have high priority and low priority systems.

They cant give every system high priority.

Wrong. and if they don't, they will harvest what they sow.


What am I wrong about.... developers having priorities, or you accepting it one day?

developers aren't suposed to pick sides. it's unprofessional, especially when they disrespect consumers, like they're doing.


So how do you propose they make PS3/X360/X1/PS4/wii U/3DS/Vita/PC/OUYA/Android/ios versions all at the same time?

never mind all that when one system is doing fantastic and another is doing terrible, WHICH one are you gonna prioritize. When will people discover that resources are not infinite.



You don't need to say anything. From what I've seen and heard, Ubisoft is going to do a whole lot to win me over to fork down $60 bucks.