| think-man said: Damn, WiiU batman must have flopped pretty bad for them not to make another one. |
that or they dont want to be bogged down by a Wii U version which HW wise is very different than the other 3
| think-man said: Damn, WiiU batman must have flopped pretty bad for them not to make another one. |
that or they dont want to be bogged down by a Wii U version which HW wise is very different than the other 3
Hynad said:
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You can't compare Greek, Chinese and Roman religion/mythology with comic book characters. Greeks, for instance, invented tragedy, and those always ended in a tragedy for the main character(s). And tragedies heavily drew on mythology(also on history).
The appeal of superheroes in comic books is NOT universal. We're not talking about religion here.
Religion, by definition, needs something higher than human beings. Comic books need no such thing.
Samus Aran said:
You can't compare Greek, Chinese and Roman religion/mythology with comic book characters. Greeks, for instance, invented tragedy, and those always ended in a tragedy for the main character(s). And tragedies heavily drew on mythology(also on history). The appeal of superheroes in comic books is NOT universal. We're not talking about religion here. Religion, by definition, needs something higher than human beings. Comic books need no such thing. |
You're kidding, right? xD
Man, go back to your history books, and come back once you've acknowledged yourself with those mythology. OK?
Seriously. xD
Hynad said:
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I've read most of the mythology stories already. ;)
Scored 9/10 on the course Greek literature at my university, I don't think I need lecturing from some kid online.
Why would I need to read history books to "acknowledge" myself with mythology? Much better to just read the damn thing yourself lol.
In the Iliad and the Odyssee the gods are as petty as human beings with the same flaws. The only difference is that the gods are immortal and powerful. They aren't freaking Mary Sue type characters like Superman with his sickening "perfect" morals. Zeus, the king of the Gods, still gets tricked quite easily by Hera.
Perhaps you should actually start reading something from antiquity before commenting on such things.
Pumped! Could've used better tone, but the trailer was pretty rad in it's own right.

flagstaad said:
You mean like Superman?, Wonder Woman? The Flash? Green Arrow? Green Lantern? yeah, a lot of unknown characters and I am sure no one cares about them either. |
Superman isn't an unknown character that nobody cares about. The guy said he wants them to make games about the lesser known characters. If you are WB and you can make one super hero game every 2 or 3 years are you seriously going to make a AAA game about a guy that runs fast?

Samus Aran said:
I've read most of the mythology stories already. ;) Scored 9/10 on the course Greek literature at my university, I don't think I need lecturing from some kid online. Why would I need to read history books to "acknowledge" myself with mythology? Much better to just read the damn thing yourself lol. In the Iliad and the Odyssee the gods are as petty as human beings with the same flaws. The only difference is that the gods are immortal and powerful. They aren't freaking Mary Sue type characters like Superman with his sickening "perfect" morals. Zeus, the king of the Gods, still gets tricked quite easily by Hera. Perhaps you should actually start reading something from antiquity before commenting on such things. |
A kid? That's how you argue with people here? Considering your behaviour on VGC, this is not surprising.
The anthropomorphism present in the Greek myths is proof enough that super human beings appealed to the people. There's a need to put the human race as more than it is. That they believed those myths to be the truth or not has no bearing in all this. These gods and heroes are on most occasion anthropomorphized rendition of physical concepts and moral principles. They're role models, have super/divine powers, many have secret identities (often, for reasons similar to those of some superheroes), etc. The comparison between the two is innevitable. Even if both didn't originally serve the same purpose, they put to light the need for humans to aspire to something greater, to have someone to look up to, to inspire hope, to elevate the race as something more and make the impossible possible in apprence, etc.
As for what you mentioned about Zeus being tricked by Hera, what's your point? Superman isn't perfect either. He gets tricked pretty often. In fact, he's an idealist and has a certain naivety because of that. Which leads him into situations where he gets tricked.
And tragedies? Really? They support my position, actually. There's nothing that move people more than to see their heroes stumble and fail. Super man V.2 #75 is further proof of that. ^_-
Perhaps you should actually start reading some comic books before commenting on such things.
And learn how to cut the quote trees. Basic forums etiquette 101.
Hynad said:
A kid? That's how you argue with people here? Considering your behaviour on VGC, this is not surprising. The anthropomorphism present in the Greek myths is proof enough that super human beings appealed to the people. There's a need to put the human race as more than it is. That they believed those myths to be the truth or not has no bearing in all this. These gods and heroes are on most occasion anthropomorphized rendition of physical concepts and moral principles. They're role models, have super/divine powers, many have secret identities (often, for reasons similar to those of some superheroes), etc. The comparison between the two is innevitable. Even if both didn't originally serve the same purpose, they put to light the need for humans to aspire to something greater, to have someone to look up to, to inspire hope, to elevate the race as something more and make the impossible possible in apprence, etc. As for what you mentioned about Zeus being tricked by Hera, what's your point? Superman isn't perfect either. He gets tricked pretty often. In fact, he's an idealist and has a certain naivety because of that. Which leads him into situations where he gets tricked.
And learn how to cut the quote trees. Basic forums etiquette 101. |
Etiquette is for petty shortminded people.
I'm sorry, but please read any mythological story and you'll quickly realize that you cannot compare superheroes with Graeco-Roman mythological figures and gods. You do realize Zeus often rapes human beings right? People like to see their superheroes stumble and fail? Then explain why they almost always have a GOOD ending(again, exceptions prove the rule). Tragedies end in tragedy. Like Oidipous killing his father, marrying his mother and in the end going into exile while stabbing his eyes out. Did that happen to any of your superheroes? ;)
Zeus isn't an idealist, he's just as petty as an average human being.
Furthermore, religion basically requires that there is something above the human level. You cannot compare that with comic books, they don't need such a thing. Religion and comic books serve totally different purposes: one is to explain things people did not understand while the latter is for entertainment only. Name me one European super hero.
If there are any similarities between religion/mythology and comic books it's because comic books were inspired by them.
Nothing supports your position. It's quite clear to me you have not read any ancient tragedies or mythologies(modern renditions do not count). I've read plenty of comic books and most of them didn't involve superheroes. Because most of the comics I read were European. ;)
The only American comic books I've read are X-Men, Batman and Superman. And that's the reason I'm only talking about Superman because I don't know enough about the others.
Most Greek mythologies would shock American audiences if they were released in comic book form. They're radically different to Superhero comics. People had a very different mindset back then. A mindset that is incomprehensible for people ignorant in such matters. You're simply reading your own views in ancient source material. You're not trained to avoid anachronisms like I am. You're simply ignorant when it comes to ancient mythology(and that is not an insult, you just had a different education). For example, if both super heroes and ancient gods/mythological figures are antropomorphized renditions of physical concepts and moral principles(which is true to some extent) that would still mean they're radically different from each other. Ancient Greeks had very different moral principles than a modern American.
| Samus Aran said: Etiquette is for petty shortminded people. I'm sorry, but please read any mythological story and you'll quickly realize that you cannot compare superheroes with Graeco-Roman mythological figures and gods. You do realize Zeus often rapes human beings right? People like to see their superheroes stumble and fail? Then explain why they almost always have a GOOD ending(again, exceptions prove the rule). Tragedies end in tragedy. Like Oidipous killing his father, marrying his mother and in the end going into exile while stabbing his eyes out. Did that happen to any of your superheroes? ;) Zeus isn't an idealist, he's just as petty as an average human being.
Furthermore, religion basically requires that there is something above the human level. You cannot compare that with comic books, they don't need such a thing. Name me one European super hero. |
Etiquette is for those who have an ounce of respect for people other than themselves. Something you clearly don't have.
We're going nowhere with all this play on semantics. You seems to think that Superheores must be perfect or something. They're not. They fail, they cross the line or a regular basis (Wonder Woman, Wolverine, DareDevil, Hak Jordan, among others). And you're running around what I say about the appeal super beings have to humans.
During my studies in Visual Arts, I had history classes about greek, roman (they both overlap at one point), Norse and asian mythologies. And yes, in my litterature classes, we studied parts of classical greek litterature.
As for European superheroes:
Jan Spier, Belgium
Jerom, Belgium
Johnny Alpha, British
de Kat, Netherlands
Diabolik, Italy
Super J, Italy
Sunny Sun, Italy
Salvator, France
Satanax, France
Superdupont, France
Sergeant Napalm, Finland
Etc...
Hynad said:
Jan Spier, Belgium |
Jan Spier and Jerom are not super heroes. Just because a character is powerful does not mean he's a super hero. Jan Spier barely plays a significant role in the Nero comic books for example.
Can't comment on the others, did not read them.
Surprised you didn't name Obelix, although I don't consider him a super hero either.