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Mr Khan said:

We forget that EA declared their breach with Nintendo *before* the Wii U released. Not long before, actually, such that the games that landed were sent out to die.

This is why i didn't want to discuss this. I'm close to insinuating something regrettable.


What was this breach? Are you talking about the whole Origin thing, or them simply refusing to put games on the eShop? Even then, youre ignoring all other points put forward regarding not only EA games, but games from other publishers. Youre putting the focus directly on EA, while ignoring the other publishers that are having (had) trouble with Wii U.

Dont be afraid. Insinuate away.

Mr Khan said:

It's not a conspiracy theory though, it's established fact. The only speculation is precisely why EA decided to basically cut all support even before the console launched.

Again, we must avoid this line of EA defense. It brings out the worst in me.

EA didnt cut all support before the Wii U launched. They continued to fund the development of Need for Speed Most Wanted, which actually went on to become the best version of the game. 

Again, I dont think its fair to put all blame on third parties here. EA have been shitty towards the Wii U, sure, but its not just EA having problems with the platform when you look at sales data. Reps at both EA and Nintendo have noted that if the Wii U installbase was higher, then support would be better. It needs to be financially viable for them, and as things stand right now the Wii U isnt that place.

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/14/ea-wii-us-lack-of-madden-fifa-a-rational-business-decision/

Nintendo -

"They want what all third parties want and what we want: for the install base to grow"

"We're confident that once some of these games come out that we have planned between now and the holiday and into 2014, that it will help drive the install base and when that happens the platforms will look more enticing to third parties."

EA -

"Look, the only thing they can do to fix it is to sell more boxes. We're a rational company, we go where the audience is. We publish games where we think we can make a great game and hit a big audience, and make money."

"In fact, the last Need for Speed shipped 60 days ago had a pretty good Metacritic. It was a good game. It wasn't a schlocky port, we actually put extra effort into getting everything to work. And it's just not selling because there's no boxes."

"If it becomes a viable platform from an audience standpoint, we'll jump back in."

Both EA and Nintendo seemingly recognise the problem, why cant you? Its not only affecting 3rd party software, its apparently starting to harm Nintendo software also (and thus Nintendo's profits). The userbase isnt there. Nintendo are struggling to create a userbase. 3rd parties dont want to develop on it because of the lack of a userbase. The only real hope for the system is that a cut, alongside Kart/Smash, will inject new life into Wii U. If things stay as they are doing, you can kiss Gamecube numbers goodbye.



                            

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Why is it bombing? Same reason why all the dinosaurs died.



Carl2291 said:
Mr Khan said:

We forget that EA declared their breach with Nintendo *before* the Wii U released. Not long before, actually, such that the games that landed were sent out to die.

This is why i didn't want to discuss this. I'm close to insinuating something regrettable.


What was this breach? Are you talking about the whole Origin thing, or them simply refusing to put games on the eShop? Even then, youre ignoring all other points put forward regarding not only EA games, but games from other publishers. Youre putting the focus directly on EA, while ignoring the other publishers that are having (had) trouble with Wii U.

Dont be afraid. Insinuate away.

Mr Khan said:

It's not a conspiracy theory though, it's established fact. The only speculation is precisely why EA decided to basically cut all support even before the console launched.

Again, we must avoid this line of EA defense. It brings out the worst in me.

EA didnt cut all support before the Wii U launched. They continued to fund the development of Need for Speed Most Wanted, which actually went on to become the best version of the game. 

Again, I dont think its fair to put all blame on third parties here. EA have been shitty towards the Wii U, sure, but its not just EA having problems with the platform when you look at sales data. Reps at both EA and Nintendo have noted that if the Wii U installbase was higher, then support would be better. It needs to be financially viable for them, and as things stand right now the Wii U isnt that place.

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/14/ea-wii-us-lack-of-madden-fifa-a-rational-business-decision/

Nintendo -

"They want what all third parties want and what we want: for the install base to grow"

"We're confident that once some of these games come out that we have planned between now and the holiday and into 2014, that it will help drive the install base and when that happens the platforms will look more enticing to third parties."

EA -

"Look, the only thing they can do to fix it is to sell more boxes. We're a rational company, we go where the audience is. We publish games where we think we can make a great game and hit a big audience, and make money."

"In fact, the last Need for Speed shipped 60 days ago had a pretty good Metacritic. It was a good game. It wasn't a schlocky port, we actually put extra effort into getting everything to work. And it's just not selling because there's no boxes."

"If it becomes a viable platform from an audience standpoint, we'll jump back in."

Both EA and Nintendo seemingly recognise the problem, why cant you? Its not only affecting 3rd party software, its apparently starting to harm Nintendo software also (and thus Nintendo's profits). The userbase isnt there. Nintendo are struggling to create a userbase. 3rd parties dont want to develop on it because of the lack of a userbase. The only real hope for the system is that a cut, alongside Kart/Smash, will inject new life into Wii U. If things stay as they are doing, you can kiss Gamecube numbers goodbye.

The people defending EA are trolling is the long and short of my belief, that their decision to back out was made before they got any results in (Need for Speed was just too far in to kill off, unlike Crysis 3, and props to Criterion for finishing it, but EA also refused to support it with DLC). The people who defend EA either don't get what went on, or do get it and are just trolling. There is no honest defense for them otherwise.

EA's sidemouthed statements trying to justify their horseshit make me want to punch someone.

So, yeah. This is why i don't want to talk about it. Just makes me insult people and then get madder from there.



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Tropical Freeze is NOT bombing.



vivster said:
Would you like to see then that Nintendo closes down and its studios go to other publishers where they are allowed to make their great games? (on better hardware no less)


I'm not sure how this is relevant to the discussion at hand, or even worth considering at this point in time. What big business willfully folds its operations when many of their products are underperforming? Yes, things aren't very good now, but is it honestly realistic to be entertaining the possibiity that the company shuts down right now? Screw you fans, screw you stockholders, screw any potential for changing and having success in the future simply becuase it would benefit you and your friends? 



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Mr Khan said:

The people defending EA are trolling is the long and short of my belief, that their decision to back out was made before they got any results in (Need for Speed was just too far in to kill off, unlike Crysis 3, and props to Criterion for finishing it, but EA also refused to support it with DLC). The people who defend EA either don't get what went on, or do get it and are just trolling. There is no honest defense for them otherwise.

EA's sidemouthed statements trying to justify their horseshit make me want to punch someone.

So, yeah. This is why i don't want to talk about it. Just makes me insult people and then get madder from there.

Thats bullshit about Crysis 3. It was up and running on Wii U and Crytek said it was very close to launching. It was purely a business decision to not release it... You could probably argue that it was further along in development than Need for Speed too when you consider Crysis was actually supposed to release in February 2013.

If you really think that people are just trolling, then I think that you quite clearly arent getting it. Did you evenr ead what I just put?

Carl2291 said:

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/14/ea-wii-us-lack-of-madden-fifa-a-rational-business-decision/

Nintendo -

"They want what all third parties want and what we want: for the install base to grow"

"We're confident that once some of these games come out that we have planned between now and the holiday and into 2014, that it will help drive the install base and when that happens the platforms will look more enticing to third parties."

EA -

"Look, the only thing they can do to fix it is to sell more boxes. We're a rational company, we go where the audience is. We publish games where we think we can make a great game and hit a big audience, and make money."

"In fact, the last Need for Speed shipped 60 days ago had a pretty good Metacritic. It was a good game. It wasn't a schlocky port, we actually put extra effort into getting everything to work. And it's just not selling because there's no boxes."

"If it becomes a viable platform from an audience standpoint, we'll jump back in."

Both EA and Nintendo seemingly recognise the problem, why cant you? Its not only affecting 3rd party software, its apparently starting to harm Nintendo software also (and thus Nintendo's profits). The userbase isnt there. Nintendo are struggling to create a userbase. 3rd parties dont want to develop on it because of the lack of a userbase. The only real hope for the system is that a cut, alongside Kart/Smash, will inject new life into Wii U. If things stay as they are doing, you can kiss Gamecube numbers goodbye.

Both EA and Nintendo, in seperate interviews, talk about why EA arent currently on Wii U.

Fuck. EA are still developing for the Wii. They released FIFA 14 for the Wii, Khan. They released FIFA 14 for 3DS. Hell, they released it for the PSP of all things. Theyre running a business. If they wanted rid of Nintendo, they wouldnt still be surporting Nintendo platforms with the "roster updates" that hundreds of thousands of people are willing to buy.

The Wii U isnt a financially viable platform. They are under no obligation to develop games for Wii U when the userbase simply isnt there and its growing at an incredible rate on other, more powerful platforms. This isnt trolling, its stating facts - The Wii U currently isnt a financially viable platform to develop for.



                            

It's because very few people care about the wiiU anymore.



I don't want to appear lazy for not reading 16 pages but... About the OP...

I'm PRETTY sure that DKC Returns sold 540k on an userbase almost TEN TIMES the size of the Wii U's current userbase...

Essentially:

DKC:TF - 240k - 5.7 mil userbase
DKC:R - 540k - 60 mil userbase

It sold almost half what Returns did on ONE TENTH the userbase. And I didn't even check what the userbase size when Returns released in 2010, I just guessed that number, but it's no doubt MASSIVELY larger than the Wii U's current one.

It's not really bombing, especially considering it will most likely top 1+mil easily, and see a boost when Mario Kart 8 releases (which will most likely see a boost in hardware).



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I'm honestly not sure what those 5.7m WiiU owners are even playing right now. Most of them are core Nintendo fans, so you'd think they'd be all over this sort of thing. Have they all just given up on buying games? I guess they're just sick of platformers.



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Pavolink said:
Slarvax said:
I think you need to stop checking software sales and stuff like that. I've only see you make "doom" or "dissapointment" threads...
OP: Of course it's Nintendo's fault! There's no other to blame. They made the Wii U the most anticonsumer hardware I've ever seen.


There has not been anything to celebrate. Nothing.

You cannot expect positive threads when there's nothing positive.

If the next console gave us games with outstanding effects graphics and gameplay and it sell like no other console I'll be the first to celebrate. But now, you cannot ask anyone to be happy with the worst performance of a mainstream console ever to Nintendo.

I don't see you posting positive information about the 3DS, or Nintendo's plans to gradually change much of their business strategy (though we still need to wait and see what happens).  The Wii U's sales are pretty bad, but first-party software sales for both the Wii U and the 3DS are actually quite good considering how much people own those systems. Despite all the negative information surrounding Nintendo, first-party franchises have had decent legs despite moediocre openings. The biggest first-party releases continue to be recieved generally well by both media and fanbase alike.It doesn't mean that NIntendo is fine - far from it, in fact - but there still things to be happy about even in this rough spot for Nintendo. 

And as far as we know, DK might leg out very well over the course of the year. It won't move very much hardware, but I think it can do decently as far as software sales are concerned, especially considering that it is a known franchise.  After all, Super Mario 3D Flop didn't turn out too badly,