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Lyrikalstylez said:
the2real4mafol said:
Mummelmann said:
Threatens to withdraw - should never have been there in the first place.

Agreed, America really helped start all this by backing the Mujahadeen (some of who are Taliban now) in the Afghan-Soviet war (proxy war) of the 1980's. The 2001 invasion itself has not really had any benefits. It's only destroyed more of Afghanistan and left them with a corrupt puppet (Karzai). The "war on terror" was bogus with the stuff happening there by both sides.

Anyway, there's one thing Afghanistan needs to reduce influence of the Taliban. It needs to be allowed to grow it's economy, war only hinders that.

Here is Kabul in the 1970s before any wars kicked off. It's was still poor but a very progressive place to be. 

This is the cost of war. Thanks alot to both Russia and America! 


A library? 

No all this sort of stuff is gone because of constant war, i should of made that clear. Afghanistan used to be a modern and progressive country, now it's a mess 



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Figgycal said:
the2real4mafol said:
Mummelmann said:
Threatens to withdraw - should never have been there in the first place.

Agreed, America really helped start all this by backing the Mujahadeen (some of who are Taliban now) in the Afghan-Soviet war (proxy war) of the 1980's. The 2001 invasion itself has not really had any benefits. It's only destroyed more of Afghanistan and left them with a corrupt puppet (Karzai). The "war on terror" was bogus with the stuff happening there by both sides.

Anyway, there's one thing Afghanistan needs to reduce influence of the Taliban. It needs to be allowed to grow it's economy, war only hinders that.

Here is Kabul in the 1970s before any wars kicked off. It's was still poor but a very progressive place to be. 

This is the cost of war. Thanks alot to both Russia and America! 

Females wearing skirts and not being covered in a hijab? White women? English writing in a library?

That's clearly not Afghanistan.

Unless we fucked it up that bad.

Believe it or not, this was how Afghanistan was around 40 years ago. Look into it if you don't believe me



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Kasz216 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Mummelmann said:
Threatens to withdraw - should never have been there in the first place.

Agreed, America really helped start all this by backing the Mujahadeen (some of who are Taliban now) in the Afghan-Soviet war (proxy war) of the 1980's. The 2001 invasion itself has not really had any benefits. It's only destroyed more of Afghanistan and left them with a corrupt puppet (Karzai). The "war on terror" was bogus with the stuff happening there by both sides.

Anyway, there's one thing Afghanistan needs to reduce influence of the Taliban. It needs to be allowed to grow it's economy, war only hinders that.

Here is Kabul in the 1970s before any wars kicked off. It's was still poor but a very progressive place to be. 


What exactly do you think Moden Kabul looks like.  Based on your pictures it makes it sound like you think it's a burnt out husk of huts with no modern stores.

As opposed to

 

Pretty much the same thing, but more developed.

 

As for reducing the Talibans influence.   Karzai can't keep them incontrol with the waning support the US is giving him.  Without the US, Karzai is screwed.  Hence why there is talk about bringing the Taliban into the fold government wise.

Obviously the city has grown, there are way more people now but war and instability for 35 years has done far too much damage. It should of been a developed country by now and Afghanistan likely would of been if it wasn't for ongoing war. Even if Kabul looks similar, stuff like women's rights and decent government certainly don't seem to exist anymore. A huge shame.

While the Taliban to me are like communist insurgents, they thrive off everyone's economic hardship. So if anything, just stop the war. Fund the building of better infrastructure and factories. Similar to Japan after ww2. 



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Final-Fan said:
ArnoldRimmer said:

I've actually forgotten why the U.S. troops even went there in the first place. What the hell did 9/11 have to do with Afghanistan again?

Afghanistan was sheltering the organization behind the attacks, fool. 

Any actual proof the 9/11 bombers came from Afghanistan or Iraq? 



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the2real4mafol said:
Final-Fan said:

Afghanistan was sheltering the organization behind the attacks, fool. 

Any actual proof the 9/11 bombers came from Afghanistan or Iraq?

What you are asking is not what I said.  Let me try to put it more simply so you can understand. 
1.  "Al Qaeda" was responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001, at the World Trade Center and elsewhere. 

2.  Leadership of Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan, and the leadership in Afghanistan ("the Taliban") knew that they were there and had access to them. 

3.  The Taliban said that they would turn over the leadership of Al Qaeda if they were responsible for the attacks, but also said that they did not believe that that was the case. 

4.  NATO fucked them up. 

Now admittedly, my little jaunt to the Wikipedia article makes the U.S. sound more dickish than I was aware was the case, but I hope your ignorance on Afghanistan's involvement has been corrected. 



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the2real4mafol said:
Kasz216 said:

 

Obviously the city has grown, there are way more people now but war and instability for 35 years has done far too much damage. It should of been a developed country by now and Afghanistan likely would of been if it wasn't for ongoing war. Even if Kabul looks similar, stuff like women's rights and decent government certainly don't seem to exist anymore. A huge shame.

While the Taliban to me are like communist insurgents, they thrive off everyone's economic hardship. So if anything, just stop the war. Fund the building of better infrastructure and factories. Similar to Japan after ww2. 

 It's funny how much of a colonialist view you have there. There are plenty of countries that have been warless that haven't fully developed, often because a lot of areas within countries don't want to "develop".

 

Outside that.... You can't fund infrastructure and factories until you have security.  That should be basic common sense.

and the Afghan forces aren't capable of creating that needed security.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/world/asia/taliban-attack-afghan-army-base-killing-soldiers-in-their-sleep.html?_r=0



Final-Fan said:
the2real4mafol said:
Final-Fan said:

Afghanistan was sheltering the organization behind the attacks, fool. 

Any actual proof the 9/11 bombers came from Afghanistan or Iraq?

What you are asking is not what I said.  Let me try to put it more simply so you can understand. 
1.  "Al Qaeda" was responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001, at the World Trade Center and elsewhere. 

2.  Leadership of Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan, and the leadership in Afghanistan ("the Taliban") knew that they were there and had access to them. 

3.  The Taliban said that they would turn over the leadership of Al Qaeda if they were responsible for the attacks, but also said that they did not believe that that was the case. 

4.  NATO fucked them up. 

Now admittedly, my little jaunt to the Wikipedia article makes the U.S. sound more dickish than I was aware was the case, but I hope your ignorance on Afghanistan's involvement has been corrected. 

No matter who did 9/11, the American invasion of Afghanistan was neither justified and can't be justified. Just my opinion. 



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Kasz216 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Kasz216 said:

 

Obviously the city has grown, there are way more people now but war and instability for 35 years has done far too much damage. It should of been a developed country by now and Afghanistan likely would of been if it wasn't for ongoing war. Even if Kabul looks similar, stuff like women's rights and decent government certainly don't seem to exist anymore. A huge shame.

While the Taliban to me are like communist insurgents, they thrive off everyone's economic hardship. So if anything, just stop the war. Fund the building of better infrastructure and factories. Similar to Japan after ww2. 

 It's funny how much of a colonialist view you have there. There are plenty of countries that have been warless that haven't fully developed, often because a lot of areas within countries don't want to "develop".

 

Outside that.... You can't fund infrastructure and factories until you have security.  That should be basic common sense.

and the Afghan forces aren't capable of creating that needed security.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/world/asia/taliban-attack-afghan-army-base-killing-soldiers-in-their-sleep.html?_r=0

The way Afghanistan was progressing before war kicked off, it would of been like a western country. This would've been by choice. No one forced them to do that. All these wars changed things though and now the fundamentalists are holding it all back. I'm not saying they should be like us, but alot of stuff like that is acceptable here was happening there. 

'Development' not only means improving economy but the change in society to make it better for themselves. I don't know what is colonialist about that. But obviously, that is not Afghanistan anymore. 

The Afghanistan we see now has gone backwards and faces many problems that the west can't deal with for them. They need to want to improve their society away from the volatile and dangerous Taliban, which is what seems to cause alot of the ongoing issues. It's like an endless cycle now. 



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the2real4mafol said:
Final-Fan said:
the2real4mafol said:
Final-Fan said:

Afghanistan was sheltering the organization behind the attacks, fool. 

Any actual proof the 9/11 bombers came from Afghanistan or Iraq?

What you are asking is not what I said.  Let me try to put it more simply so you can understand. 
1.  "Al Qaeda" was responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001, at the World Trade Center and elsewhere. 

2.  Leadership of Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan, and the leadership in Afghanistan ("the Taliban") knew that they were there and had access to them. 

3.  The Taliban said that they would turn over the leadership of Al Qaeda if they were responsible for the attacks, but also said that they did not believe that that was the case. 

4.  NATO fucked them up. 

Now admittedly, my little jaunt to the Wikipedia article makes the U.S. sound more dickish than I was aware was the case, but I hope your ignorance on Afghanistan's involvement has been corrected. 

No matter who did 9/11, the American invasion of Afghanistan was neither justified and can't be justified. Just my opinion.

"No matter who"

So hypothetically, if the Taliban had directly planned the attacks and Taliban forces hijacked the planes and flew them into the towers, it still wouldn't have been justified? 



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the2real4mafol said:
Final-Fan said:
the2real4mafol said:
Final-Fan said:

 

No matter who did 9/11, the American invasion of Afghanistan was neither justified and can't be justified. Just my opinion. 

Wait, don't tell me you are a 9/11 conspiracy theorist.

I had more respect for you then that.