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What do you think about Nintendo's attitude?

Awful, they should fail i... 189 14.04%
 
Pretty Bad, they should l... 385 28.60%
 
Not bad, they're just as anybody else 188 13.97%
 
Good, we need more like them 389 28.90%
 
Excellent, they don't need to change one bit 173 12.85%
 
Total:1,324

I think you need to change the title to: "My opinion about Nintendo"

 

While I agree with some things, in the end of the day is just your opinion. I, and others, still will buy Nintendo games, that's it



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Zod95 said:
NintendoPie said:
2 was the closest you got to relaying things that were seemingly quite true, although don't necessarily take place in the Nintendo of today. They've clearly become more interested in Indies and third parties, especially since they don't have much

Some of them still apply to the Nintendo of today:

- 3rd party royalties

- non-standard tech

- lower power than competition

- inadequate documentation

- incompetent help support

 

NintendoPie said:
I applaud your effort, because that's quite a long and detailed read, but there is quite clearly glaring bias in some of this. Setting Sony or Microsoft ahead of Nintendo for certain acts that they have done is one of them. Big companies like these all have their own financial and "humane" (even that's a bit of a stretch) problems.

What "certain acts" are you talking about? Could you be more specific?

The ones that you are accusing Nintendo of as we speak. I thought it was specific enough given the topic at hand.



Luck said:

Regarding 1.2

You imply that one art direction (Realistic) is better than another (Cartoonish) and use that assumption to bash Nintendo. Afterwards, you imply that one gameplay style (Simulation) is better than another (Arcade) and, again, use that assumption to further bash Nintendo. Later on, you imply that a particular hardware focus (Raw power) is better than another (User interaction) and, again, use that assumption to bash Nintendo.

I could go on and on but it's pretty clear that you are using a bunch of very subjective assumptions representing your personal preferences (Realistic graphics, simulation gameplay, etc.) and then based on those try to establish the ''Truth'' about Nintendo. It's a very naive (or dishonest) way to analyse reality. Bravo for the effort but, from what I've read, it's a very poor essay.

As naive and dishonest as the Guinness book. Look at what is said at the end of that section:

"Note that I’m not taking into account tastes when referring all those games earlier (like the Guinness book is not about the best people in the world). I’m just focusing on objective remarkable achievements of some games that could have only been done with effort/time/money. If the game X is beautiful or if the game Y is fun, that is already subjective (about tastes)"



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

I read a lot of negatives. Surely Nintendo has some positives as a company?



NintendoPie said:
Zod95 said:
NintendoPie said:
2 was the closest you got to relaying things that were seemingly quite true, although don't necessarily take place in the Nintendo of today. They've clearly become more interested in Indies and third parties, especially since they don't have much

Some of them still apply to the Nintendo of today:

- 3rd party royalties

- non-standard tech

- lower power than competition

- inadequate documentation

- incompetent help support

 

NintendoPie said:
I applaud your effort, because that's quite a long and detailed read, but there is quite clearly glaring bias in some of this. Setting Sony or Microsoft ahead of Nintendo for certain acts that they have done is one of them. Big companies like these all have their own financial and "humane" (even that's a bit of a stretch) problems.

What "certain acts" are you talking about? Could you be more specific?

The ones that you are accusing Nintendo of as we speak. I thought it was specific enough given the topic at hand.

Ah, ok, now I got you. You are criticizing the fact that I'm implicitly saying that Nintendo is worse than Sony / Microsoft because of all the negative points I've mentioned in the OP. Well, that's not necessarily the case but if you could make a bigger/worst list of negative points about Sony or Microsoft, I would be very surprised.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

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Zod95 said:

Ah, ok, now I got you. You are criticizing the fact that I'm implicitly saying that Nintendo is worse than Sony / Microsoft because of all the negative points I've mentioned in the OP. Well, that's not necessarily the case but if you could make a bigger/worst list of negative points about Sony or Microsoft, I would be very surprised.

I'm not going to try nearly as hard as you did. I don't really care that much about showing you up.



Zod95 said:
NintendoPie said:
2 was the closest you got to relaying things that were seemingly quite true, although don't necessarily take place in the Nintendo of today. They've clearly become more interested in Indies and third parties, especially since they don't have much

Some of them still apply to the Nintendo of today:

- 3rd party royalties: There is nothing bad about royalties. That is a large way every hardware producer makes money. Why are you implying this is a negative thing or something different that Nintendo does?

- non-standard tech: How is this bad in any way? Innovation is bad? Oh, so everyone should make the same exact console and that would make the industry a better place? I'm pretty sure I've said this before but even when Nintendo did what everyone else did, the 3rd parties didn't support them...

- lower power than competition: Same response as above combined with one of my points from before. Lower power allows lower development costs. Here, check out this article from another thread showing how "higher power than competition" is just as bad, if not worse than "lower power than competition": http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=178978

- inadequate documentation: I'm not entirely sure what you mean and I would like proof.

- incompetent help support: I've heard far more stories of good experiences with Nintendo than bad experiences with Nintendo and for every story you could find of some random indie saying something bad about Nintendo, I could probably find five good good experiences. I think you need to prove your point a little better here.

 


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supernihilist said:
i ve never ever seen in my life, ever, such a wall of text so full of words, so empty of ideas and arguments

TLDR?
Nintendo is bad because i dont like them, buaaaa!!! crying like a baby lol

believe it or not theres people out there, and a lot of them that enjoy more WiiSports than Killzone for example.
me included. id pay 50$ for Wii sports resort, but i wouldnt even buy Killzone 3.

I came up with arguments and I've backed up them with facts. If you don't like the truth, that's not my fault. You prefer to tell they're empty without explaining how. That's a way to avoid debate and that's fine by me. I just wonder what you're doing in a forum.

Regarding Wii Sports and Killzone, I have no doubt about that. Like there are who prefers Killzone over Wii Sports. That's subjective, about tastes. But look at what the OP says:

"Note that I’m not taking into account tastes when referring all those games earlier (like the Guinness book is not about the best people in the world). I’m just focusing on objective remarkable achievements of some games that could have only been done with effort/time/money. If the game X is beautiful or if the game Y is fun, that is already subjective (about tastes)"



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

IMO it could be argued the reason so much of Nintendo s "blue Ocean" evaporated so quickly was the shovelware-   most experienced gamers knew/learned to avoid the shovelware- but the new casual gamer came in and bought a ton of shovelware- they eventiually relaized it for what it was but in many of the big casual genre s like hunting, fishing etc virtually all the games were shovelware- so the entertainment was short term, skin deep and a cheap thrll- not enough to get most of the "blue ocean" to keep gaming, to respect gaming and def not enough for them to go buy a $350 Wii U that was completely different "in their eyes" than the intuitive Wii. 

 

I probably represent oe of the minority who became interested in what the Wii had to offer via playing games w my Son-  but instead of giving up on gaming, I waded through, educated myself to help avoid buying my son poor value games/shovelware as well as myself

If all I had ever played was the shovelware games i would have left gaming behind several years ago and not been willing to invest in nearly as many games for my children-   



BreakingLegend said:
I just have to say that the degree of integrity in this post is visible in the comparison of Sonic and Mario's soundtrack evolutions throughout the years. The bias becomes blatantly obvious when OP spins Sega's use of [cheesy] modern rock bands for Sonic themes as superior and more beneficial than Nintendo's instrumental Mario themes in today's era.

What? Seriously?


Although i've enjoyed all the Crush 40 Sega's given me over the years (seriously, i did. The Sonic Adventure 2 soundtrack is kickass), one has to admit that when Nintendo finally moved to full instrumental from MIDI in Super Mario Galaxy, that was a moment to behold.



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