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The PS4's power seems...

Better, but not THAT much better anymore... 241 15.42%
 
Are you crazy?! The PS4 is GOD! 349 22.33%
 
The Wii U is clearly unde... 741 47.41%
 
The PS4 is selling better... 36 2.30%
 
I think I'll be buying a... 191 12.22%
 
Total:1,558
ZyroXZ2 said:
Scoobes said:

The difference between the "unconfirmed specs" in the PS4 and WiiU is that the PS4 RAM spec is based on a single rumour. The WiiU spec rumours are based on hardware breakdowns (physical pics), inferences based on the knowledge of the architectures used and information garnered from hackers. Basically there are more information sources from which to make conclusions and even then the conclusions are still a "range" of specs unless Nintendo come out with the full truth (not going to happen).

@ bolded

You realise that everything Nintendo does is for profits? There's a good reason they iterate on Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Zelda, Mario etc. with every generation. It may align with your sense of fun but its not for everyone.

And that's something I just wrote about in a blog post later, that's not entirely correct.

Nintendo knows it needs money to survive, but a close look at a company's behavior patterns and statements can give you the underlying message.  Nintendo wants to just make games, they won't want to have to compete with Sony/Microsoft, they don't want to have to spend billions on hardware and graphics engines to lure "hardcore gamers" because it sells well, they don't even want to be mainstream (clearly).  Nintendo has success and they know a familiar face brings people back, but if there ever was a company that seemed the LEAST interested in doing things for money, it would be Nintendo.

Nintendo cares about money just as much as any other company, the only difference is in how they try to get it. Instead of microtransactions, they keep their games at full price for years. Instead of implementing online passes, they're the only ones with region lock. Instead of making tons of Call of Duty games, they make tons of Mario games and release two different versions of each Pokemon game with negligible differences.



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ZyroXZ2 said:
Scoobes said:

The difference between the "unconfirmed specs" in the PS4 and WiiU is that the PS4 RAM spec is based on a single rumour. The WiiU spec rumours are based on hardware breakdowns (physical pics), inferences based on the knowledge of the architectures used and information garnered from hackers. Basically there are more information sources from which to make conclusions and even then the conclusions are still a "range" of specs unless Nintendo come out with the full truth (not going to happen).

@ bolded

You realise that everything Nintendo does is for profits? There's a good reason they iterate on Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Zelda, Mario etc. with every generation. It may align with your sense of fun but its not for everyone.

And that's something I just wrote about in a blog post later, that's not entirely correct.

Nintendo knows it needs money to survive, but a close look at a company's behavior patterns and statements can give you the underlying message.  Nintendo wants to just make games, they won't want to have to compete with Sony/Microsoft, they don't want to have to spend billions on hardware and graphics engines to lure "hardcore gamers" because it sells well, they don't even want to be mainstream (clearly).  Nintendo has success and they know a familiar face brings people back, but if there ever was a company that seemed the LEAST interested in doing things for money, it would be Nintendo.

If you look at Nintendo's history its actually entirely correct; Nintendo are all about profit but simply use a different philosophy to Sony and Microsoft.

Nintendo have (prior to WiiU) never released a console for a loss (although they've dropped prices to compete e.g. Gamecube). They don't want to compete with Sony and Microsoft because after the Gamecube they realised they wouldn't survive if they did. They carved their own market with the Wii so they could profit without direct competition.

They don't want to be mainstream, they want to profit. Nearly all their games are targetted to appeal to the widest demographics possible (largest potential market). Even their core games are designed with art-styles that parents would perceive as child-friendly. Their games are designed with simplicity in mind (e.g. re-using assets, limited to no voice acting in many games) because it keeps costs down. They re-use familiar faces and franchises because they know it helps their games sell (more money!). They've kept their employee count ridiculously low for such a profitable company and run a tight, low cost and relatively efficient ship.

Nintendo are actually the most invested in financial reward out of the big three because video games are their bread and butter. They don't have a fall back. Sony and Microsoft have other divisions that could keep them afloat and have gone through generations where they've made an overall loss because they had other objectives in mind. Nintendo can't afford to do that.



You can't really judge the power of the Ps4 or the Xbone with less than a year on the market.

In that same comparison, we would have understood the full power of the Xbox 360 with Kameo, Call of Duty 2, and Gears of War 1.

Or the Ps3 with Uncharted, LAIR, Heavenly Sword, and of course Genji.



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fatslob-:O said:
JoeTheBro said:
fatslob-:O said:
JoeTheBro said:

I knew of three other console devs on here, but two of them asked for perma bans. The other one is still around but I always forget who he is. I don't know any of them outside of the forums though.

There was Nylevia and Frequency but who is this third one you speak off ?

Have you guys considered getting an xbox one dev kit ? That would be a good idea ...


It's a secret!

Also lol at getting an xbox one dev kit. You're so funny.

I wonder if you were referring to that doctor guy ...

Was it CGI-Quality? I tmight be him.



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I think the Wii U is underrated for sure. Bayonetta 2 and X are proof of the visuals that the console is capable of. That said, the gap is still there and it'll get more noticeable as time goes on. I just think about all the zombies in Dead Rising 3 that not only appear in the hundreds, but simultaneously die in the hundreds as well with a huge explosion on top of it.



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T.Rexington said:
I think the Wii U is underrated for sure. Bayonetta 2 and X are proof of the visuals that the console is capable of. That said, the gap is still there and it'll get more noticeable as time goes on. I just think about all the zombies in Dead Rising 3 that not only appear in the hundreds, but simultaneously die in the hundreds as well with a huge explosion on top of it.


That's all nice but it's still 720p with a stuttering 30fps. I know later it got patched so it might perform better, just something to think about. 



ZyroXZ2 said:

And that's something I just wrote about in a blog post later, that's not entirely correct.

Nintendo knows it needs money to survive, but a close look at a company's behavior patterns and statements can give you the underlying message.  Nintendo wants to just make games, they won't want to have to compete with Sony/Microsoft, they don't want to have to spend billions on hardware and graphics engines to lure "hardcore gamers" because it sells well, they don't even want to be mainstream (clearly).  Nintendo has success and they know a familiar face brings people back, but if there ever was a company that seemed the LEAST interested in doing things for money, it would be Nintendo.


Because they can't. That would be the worst business decision. wasn't the Gamecube precisely that?



Talal said:
ZyroXZ2 said:

And that's something I just wrote about in a blog post later, that's not entirely correct.

Nintendo knows it needs money to survive, but a close look at a company's behavior patterns and statements can give you the underlying message.  Nintendo wants to just make games, they won't want to have to compete with Sony/Microsoft, they don't want to have to spend billions on hardware and graphics engines to lure "hardcore gamers" because it sells well, they don't even want to be mainstream (clearly).  Nintendo has success and they know a familiar face brings people back, but if there ever was a company that seemed the LEAST interested in doing things for money, it would be Nintendo.


Because they can't. That would be the worst business decision. wasn't the Gamecube precisely that?

You must not know too much about Nintendo themselves.  They CAN, they clearly choose NOT to.  The company still has billions sitting in the bank, and operates with ZERO debt.  If they WANTED to compete, they COULD (let's face it, Sony and Microsoft compete with each other by throwing money and power at things, both of which Nintendo also has), but they prefer to do their own thing, and I respect that.



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ZyroXZ2 said:
Talal said:
ZyroXZ2 said:

And that's something I just wrote about in a blog post later, that's not entirely correct.

Nintendo knows it needs money to survive, but a close look at a company's behavior patterns and statements can give you the underlying message.  Nintendo wants to just make games, they won't want to have to compete with Sony/Microsoft, they don't want to have to spend billions on hardware and graphics engines to lure "hardcore gamers" because it sells well, they don't even want to be mainstream (clearly).  Nintendo has success and they know a familiar face brings people back, but if there ever was a company that seemed the LEAST interested in doing things for money, it would be Nintendo.


Because they can't. That would be the worst business decision. wasn't the Gamecube precisely that?

You must not know too much about Nintendo themselves.  They CAN, they clearly choose NOT to.  The company still has billions sitting in the bank, and operates with ZERO debt.  If they WANTED to compete, they COULD (let's face it, Sony and Microsoft compete with each other by throwing money and power at things, both of which Nintendo also has), but they prefer to do their own thing, and I respect that.


They choose not to because they're smart. Yeah they can make a strong console and pay lots of devs to make games for their system, but again that would be the worst business decision and will lead to the downfall of the company long term.



Talal said:
ZyroXZ2 said:
Talal said:
ZyroXZ2 said:

And that's something I just wrote about in a blog post later, that's not entirely correct.

Nintendo knows it needs money to survive, but a close look at a company's behavior patterns and statements can give you the underlying message.  Nintendo wants to just make games, they won't want to have to compete with Sony/Microsoft, they don't want to have to spend billions on hardware and graphics engines to lure "hardcore gamers" because it sells well, they don't even want to be mainstream (clearly).  Nintendo has success and they know a familiar face brings people back, but if there ever was a company that seemed the LEAST interested in doing things for money, it would be Nintendo.


Because they can't. That would be the worst business decision. wasn't the Gamecube precisely that?

You must not know too much about Nintendo themselves.  They CAN, they clearly choose NOT to.  The company still has billions sitting in the bank, and operates with ZERO debt.  If they WANTED to compete, they COULD (let's face it, Sony and Microsoft compete with each other by throwing money and power at things, both of which Nintendo also has), but they prefer to do their own thing, and I respect that.


They choose not to because they're smart. Yeah they can make a strong console and pay lots of devs to make games for their system, but again that would be the worst business decision and will lead to the downfall of the company long term.

I have to break the 3-quotes tree rule, because I think you just argued with yourself without realizing it...



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