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The fact that the game division profited during a launch quarter is very impressive. Not even the PS2 managed to accomplish that. The PS4 is being sold at a loss and the PS3 is way down from last year. Vita of course isn't helping. The huge increase in PS+ subscriptions along with strong software sales have been very beneficial for the game division.



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

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Ajax said:
DamnTastic said:



Operating Income is not profit.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/operatingincome.asp



Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
ironmanDX said:
PS4 is selling at a small loss per standalone console I think. They're getting their profits from software, ps+ and accessories.... which does count!


Ive always thought about this. The more consoles they've sold. The more money they loss. Therefore amounting to an even larger amount of cumulative loss [in the short term]. 


The logic is flawed though because nobody just buys the console and nothing else.  Sony may take a small loss per console, but they should be making money per PS4 owner because on average each person is buying a couple games and an accessory with their console.  And then as each subsequent month passes by, any new games, accessories, PS+ subscriptions that those PS4 owners purchase, those will all be profit for Sony.  That's why the most important thing is to get the consoles in people's homes.  It's an investment for the next 7 years.  



ninetailschris said:
DerNebel said:
ninetailschris said:
DerNebel said:
ninetailschris said:
DerNebel said:

And those increased PS+ and Software sales can't be attributed to the PS4?


He was talking about the actual console sales were the reason. Ps+ really has nothing to do with the argument.

What he said was that the PS4 is the first Sony console that made them profit in its first quarter, he never said it was only because of console sales. When he said "record breaking launch of the PS4" I'm pretty sure he meant everything that came with that launch, so the console, software, accessory and of course PS+ sales.

It seem your interruption of what he was saying and not what he actually said. When he said "because of record breaking sales at launch." He directly saying that gain is from the ps4 hardware sales. He definitely implying that the cause was hardware and effect was the profit. Usage of the word "due to" means to single out a specific cause and "record breaking" is only the ps4. Unless he misspoke, I have the right to go by what he actual said and not what he could have meant.

First the bolded: What?

Second, dude Ethomaz' english is good but far from perfect (no offense to you, if you happen to read this Ethomaz), so a mistake like this wouldn't be surprising in this case. Also quite frankly it seems that you're interpreting a lot more than me if you think that he seriously meant console sales only.


Lol 'interpretation' my bad. I don't know if I'm tired or my iPad auto correcting me.

If you read my post and you admit his poor grammar than your agreeing with me. I said that he could have misspoke and based on that my response was valid because it was based on what he wrote. Unless I know the guy, there is no way I am going to respond in a manner that takes this into consideration. 

On the final point, that mine interpretation is more complex. My taking his post literally, your is taking into account a personally and how actual thinks/types. Your interpretation requires an assumption on how a person thinks, that simply can't proven unless he states it himself. 


You seem to suggest that your interpretation is the only possible one. It IS thanks to those record breaking sales that the game division made a profit, but indirectly. Sales of ps+ tripled after the ps4 launch. Had it sold less, there would be less ps+ subscriptions. The console also sells games, which are more expensive than ps3 games. And it seems that the ps4 camera is quite successful. Again, without the record breaking sales, who would have bought all these things that helped Sony make a profit? The profit is thanks to the ps4; not the hardware itself, but whatever extra it is that people buy for the ps4. The way he phrased it is absolutely fine. Had he said, "thanks to making x on each standalone console sold", you'd have a point. At the moment, you don't.

If you say to someone that "it's thanks to the ps+ subscriprions and software sales", one could assume you're referring to ps3/psvita related sales. The ps4 is what made the difference, hence why it gets the credit. 



jacks81x said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
ironmanDX said:
PS4 is selling at a small loss per standalone console I think. They're getting their profits from software, ps+ and accessories.... which does count!


Ive always thought about this. The more consoles they've sold. The more money they loss. Therefore amounting to an even larger amount of cumulative loss [in the short term]. 


The logic is flawed though because nobody just buys the console and nothing else.  Sony may take a small loss per console, but they should be making money per PS4 owner because on average each person is buying a couple games and an accessory with their console.  And then as each subsequent month passes by, any new games, accessories, PS+ subscriptions that those PS4 owners purchase, those will all be profit for Sony.  That's why the most important thing is to get the consoles in people's homes.  It's an investment for the next 7 years.  


I was talking soley about the {{{{CONSOLE DEVICE}}}} SOLD and {{{{IN SHORT TERM}}}}.



Yay!!!

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Ajax said:
DamnTastic said:



Operating Income is not profit.

look at the revenue



Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
jacks81x said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
ironmanDX said:
PS4 is selling at a small loss per standalone console I think. They're getting their profits from software, ps+ and accessories.... which does count!


Ive always thought about this. The more consoles they've sold. The more money they loss. Therefore amounting to an even larger amount of cumulative loss [in the short term]. 


The logic is flawed though because nobody just buys the console and nothing else.  Sony may take a small loss per console, but they should be making money per PS4 owner because on average each person is buying a couple games and an accessory with their console.  And then as each subsequent month passes by, any new games, accessories, PS+ subscriptions that those PS4 owners purchase, those will all be profit for Sony.  That's why the most important thing is to get the consoles in people's homes.  It's an investment for the next 7 years.  


I was talking soley about the {{{{CONSOLE DEVICE}}}} SOLD and {{{{IN SHORT TERM}}}}.

They seem to have managed to cushion the blow with the PS+ subscriptions.

The hardware costs are an investment, the profits are trickling in the following months/years little by little (software and accessory sales).

The new PS+ subscriptions are exactly the opposite... they get the subscription fees for the whole year in advance (some pay even for several years in advance) but have to deliver the goods step by step over the year.



As always with Sony related news, people like to use all kinds of superlatives. It is making money, but not so freaking much as some people make you think.

Just to put the numbers in context:

PS3 / PS4 + PS Vita and PSP = 170 million USD profit.
Xbox 360 / Xbox One + Surface and Surface 2 = 470 million USD profit.

(first party software sales are nor.included for Microsofts numbers)

It is cool to see all 3 posting a profit. That has been a while since it happened last time.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

DirtyP2002 said:
As always with Sony related news, people like to use all kinds of superlatives. It is making money, but not so freaking much as some people make you think.

Just to put the numbers in context:

PS3 / PS4 + PS Vita and PSP = 170 million USD profit.
Xbox 360 / Xbox One + Surface and Surface 2 = 470 million USD profit.

(first party software sales are nor.included for Microsofts numbers)

It is cool to see all 3 posting a profit. That has been a while since it happened last time.

what did you just do? huh?



ironmanDX said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
ironmanDX said:
PS4 is selling at a small loss per standalone console I think. They're getting their profits from software, ps+ and accessories.... which does count!


Ive always thought about this. The more consoles they've sold. The more money they loss. Therefore amounting to an even larger amount of cumulative loss [in the short term]. 


Yeah, it's a poor business model. Of all 3 companies, you'd think Sony would be the one least willing to take the loss.

 

It will more than work out for them though if they win the gen.

Well one of the reports for the launch said Sony would profit if one game or controller was sold (don't remember if PS+ was necessary as well)... So they aren't losing too much per unit, and I don't see many buying it without any SW. So the prospects are good for the gen... MS haven't spoked about their margin have they? Because most of those break down put Sony and MS with about the same loss/margin around -30/+30 US$ per console... so I think both are good for launch profit.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."