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Lawlight said:
novasonic said:
Lawlight said:
novasonic said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. PS4: 50-60mil. WiiU/XB1: 30-35mil. This generation is going to be significantly smaller than the last one. No console in the 8th gen will reach 100m.


How much significantly smaller?

Well.. When all is said and done:

Wii: 102m - WiiU: 35m
DS: 155m  - 3DS: 85m
PS3: 85m  - PS4: 60m
PSP: 85m  - PSV: 20m
360: 82m  - XB1: 35m

Those are my predicitions for hardware. The attach rate for software will be higher on average. This gen will be more about the core gaming community. Last gen casual gaming was all the rage. Half of those Wiis, PS3s, and 360s out there only have a 2 or 3 games to go along with them.


Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant how significantly smaller will this gen be?

I donno something like hardware 1/2 the size of last gen and software 2/3 the size. Too lazy to math out the details. This is just my guess.




8th gen predictions. (made early 2014)
PS4: 60-65m
WiiU: 30-35m
X1: 30-35m
3DS: 80-85m
PSV: 15-20m

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That there will be more games on PS4 than on PS2 is far from certain.

The pre-HD fidelity of games for the PS2 made it cheaper to develop for and that it had no competitor even come close to its sales numbers resulted in upwards of 4000 games released. By comparison, the PS3 is under a thousand titles and the 360 is just over. That we now have indies might result in more games on that end of the market, but in general, we have fewer game releases from every other segment of the market because of the cost of development and the emphasis on AAA.

That the PS4 would get a 6:1 ratio, like the PS2 did, on its nearest competitor is laughable.

The assumption that the PS4 has won this generation is also laughable. I am not saying that it will definitely not happen, but it is still early days yet. Every generation has been different, with different factors and events playing a part. For the most recent PS360 generation, factors like Kinect, Netflix compatibility, apps, most of the classic games of the generation, and so on were unheard of or still unreleased at this point after launch.



novasonic said:
Lawlight said:
novasonic said:
Lawlight said:
novasonic said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. PS4: 50-60mil. WiiU/XB1: 30-35mil. This generation is going to be significantly smaller than the last one. No console in the 8th gen will reach 100m.


How much significantly smaller?

Well.. When all is said and done:

Wii: 102m - WiiU: 35m
DS: 155m  - 3DS: 85m
PS3: 85m  - PS4: 60m
PSP: 85m  - PSV: 20m
360: 82m  - XB1: 35m

Those are my predicitions for hardware. The attach rate for software will be higher on average. This gen will be more about the core gaming community. Last gen casual gaming was all the rage. Half of those Wiis, PS3s, and 360s out there only have a 2 or 3 games to go along with them.


Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant how significantly smaller will this gen be?

I donno something like hardware 1/2 the size of last gen and software 2/3 the size. Too lazy to math out the details. This is just my guess.

Ok, apologies again. I did the same mistake of not specifying it properly. I meant the duration in years. How long do you expect this gen to last?



Captain_Tom said:
Idk in my opinion it could do it if that Sony TV service is the cable killer we have all been waiting for.

This will be a large part of it. There is something like 160M set top boxes in the US alone. Sony only has to take just over a 1/4 of that market to reach PS2 levels in the US. Having a super snappy OS, and being much more powerful than any other set top box should be a huge advantage. Then if things start to take off, there should be a good chance of partial substidisation, thanks to the revenue and profits from all services (Live TV/PPV/On-Demand/Video Unlimited/Music Unlimited/PS Now, etc.). 

What will be interesting to see is if Sony will try something new this gen. With the market being so different, and new tech being delivered at a rapid pace, I can see either Sony or MS shaking things up. Is a PS4K possible once the chips are shrunk to 22nm? PS4 goes to $299, PS4K is $399 new 12 core CPU/32CU GPU, and 12GB GDDR5 allows PS4 games to run at 4K.



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No home console will ever outsell PS2, ever. PS4 might come in second, but will probably finish behind PS1 for third place.

On a side note, do sales matter? I had a PS2,DC,Xbox and a GameCube and enjoyed them all. Sales didn't matter for me.



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Riot Of The Blood said:
This an honest question. Why do you guys like the PS2 so much? It was the wii of its gen. In my eyes the console was an unreliable piece of shit and completely inferior to its competitors. Gamecube was the console to own if you wanted to play the best exclusives that gen. You have to be j rpg only gamer to call the PS2 king. I don't understand how people can bashthe wii and wii U but praise the ps2. PS3 already surpassed the PS2 and completely changed sonys reputation as far as quality consoles go. The PS4 will do the same.

Yeah...the Gamecube was the console to own...even though you couldn't play any of the biggest blockbusters including GTA, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Soild 2-3, God of War, or Devil May Cry...well you get the idea. The Gamecube was more like the console to resale after you play the 1 or 2 games that were decent on it which is why it sold like complete shit even when compared to the first gen Xbox.

No way in hell was the PS2 the "Wii of it's gen". Yeah it was weaker, but it came out a year before the other two, and it was powerful  enough were it didn't matter much. That seriously sounds like something someone born in the 2000's would say. Completely devoid of logic.

But the answer to your question is by a mile the software. The PS2 had something for everyone unlike the Xbox which was only for pseudo PC gamers and the Cube which was only for kids and hardcore Nintendo fans. That's way it's embraced by so many in the gaming community were as the PS3 was not.

I still can't get over the Gamecube being "the console to own" though. That's just priceless



Games and price, this is all any console has ever needed.

The price is right now they just need to bring the games consistantly.

And keep lowering the price every year or so, which should be easier this time than it was with the PS3.



Nintentacle said:
They need Nintendo and Microsoft to go bankrupt soon, but that's not going to happen.


??? That didnt need to happen during PS2 era.

What they need for another PS2 type of dominance is to weaken Xbox brand in the US, since thats the only region where they arent dominating and its stoping them to reclaim bigger 50+% marketshare



PS2 has such dominance because it appealed to all a wide range of people, casuals and hardcore gamers, mums with SingStar. Because of this is sold and kept selling. With that in turn came the games, such a wide variety to cater for all consumers. But developers didn't waste their time on making multiple ports to a system like Xbox or Gamecube because the potential sales were not worth it. Stick to PS2, save costs and make more profits.

Basically, the more sales the console has the more games that will come.

The 7th gen had the issue that all consoles sold pretty evenly. Developers couldn't risk the idea of only releasing a game on one platform so had to do multiple versions to make sure the biggest audience is reached.



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Lawlight said:
novasonic said:
Lawlight said:
novasonic said:
Lawlight said:
novasonic said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. PS4: 50-60mil. WiiU/XB1: 30-35mil. This generation is going to be significantly smaller than the last one. No console in the 8th gen will reach 100m.


How much significantly smaller?

Well.. When all is said and done:

Wii: 102m - WiiU: 35m
DS: 155m  - 3DS: 85m
PS3: 85m  - PS4: 60m
PSP: 85m  - PSV: 20m
360: 82m  - XB1: 35m

Those are my predicitions for hardware. The attach rate for software will be higher on average. This gen will be more about the core gaming community. Last gen casual gaming was all the rage. Half of those Wiis, PS3s, and 360s out there only have a 2 or 3 games to go along with them.


Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant how significantly smaller will this gen be?

I donno something like hardware 1/2 the size of last gen and software 2/3 the size. Too lazy to math out the details. This is just my guess.

Ok, apologies again. I did the same mistake of not specifying it properly. I meant the duration in years. How long do you expect this gen to last?

Oh, OK. It'll be the standard 5 or 6 years.




8th gen predictions. (made early 2014)
PS4: 60-65m
WiiU: 30-35m
X1: 30-35m
3DS: 80-85m
PSV: 15-20m