I wonder why VGC is assuming PS4 is doing 146k/week when we hear that Sony could be making 1M if not 1.5M per month, and they're still basically selling out?

Has there been an official statement that they are making 1-1.5 million each month? If not then ur expecting ioi to base his numbers on heresay.

TF and H5 are very different beasts. If TF really lifts sales then you can reasonably expect even more from H5. But if TF is just a blip it would be of no predictive value for H5. The TF effect will be an interesting one to watch.

Unless the the average gamer really does care about specs, then the only real difference between PS4 and Xb one is price. PS4 doesn't have any system sellers either, and so lack of Xb one system sellers isn't a reason. There really is nothing to explain the 150K lead PS4 currently has other than price. Or do you doubt that Xb one would be ahead in Nth America if Xb one and PS4 were the same price? I think if both launched at $399 then Xb one would probably be ahead of PS4 by at least 150K. So the price effect, I think, is at least 300K in sales, and arguably because of PS4 supply constraints the demand differential is probably even greater than that.

Actually yes. I would doubt that a $399 X1 at launch would've made a huge difference. Maybe it's just me but I think so far the main consumer who bought one of the consoles was already a fan of the previous model. 100$ is like nothing for avid gamers. That's not even 2 games. What helped sell the PS4 and dampened the sales of the X1 was the press. The press of the fact that the X1 was more expensive than the PS4 was much more damaging than the price itself. Also of course the whole DRM and stuff business. The mainstream consumer who is not an early adopter and who cares about stuff like prices didn't even consider buying a X1 or PS4 yet. So MS can still catch them next holiday.

The PS4 didn't sell because it was cheap(-er) , it sold because there was a huge amountof hype in the gamer community aka the people most likely to buy a console at launch. It would've probably sold about the same if it was $100 more.

But maybe it's just that I lost all sense for money.

Indeed, that's 2 games!

It's true indeed that fence sitters are not the early adopters. Does that mean the 360 install base is more fence sitter-y than the PS3 base? I don't think so. 

I also think the media effect is overblown. The Xbox 180 did a lot to rehabilitate the brand. Certainly there were a lot of people on this site and other places who did a 180 on the Xb one at the same time as MS did.

If you think $100 is nothing to get excited about, what do you think a $100 price cut for Xb one would do?

I pondered that myself but I'm not sure. It could very well be because more people bought the cheaper X360 than the expensive PS3 despite the PS's massive fan base.

If MS cuts the price at E3 it will have a big effect. But again, not because of the price itself but the positive press related to it. Consumers are very easy to manipulate(including myself).

The fact that there are still numerous people who think there is always online DRM and that the Kinect is spying for the NSA shows that the media had a very huge impact on people. The impact was indeed so great that it even swallowed part of the policy reversal. It's rather unfair what was going on back then. While the positive comments about the X1 were canibalized by the negative press, the PS4's negative aspects were swept away by the positive hype.

I won't argue the numbers you've come up with, but I didn't see anything in that link that could have given me any idea how much the 2ds sold. It shows only sales in any year or quarter for the 3ds family of consoles, not each individual version. I am looking at it from my phone, so perhaps I'm not getting the whole picture. I don't think the 2ds is doing well, but, that is just my opinion, not based off any actual facts, so there's that.

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I see it now. But I still think that shows it's the red headed stepchild. It released in the holiday season, and sold less than the $200 xl model. I still say that if they sell the real 3d base model and the xl cheap, sales will jump up substantially. Something like, $99-$119 for the base 3ds and $149 for the xl. I just think people want the real 3ds with the 3d capability, that's why the $200 model is still the best seller. I mean hell, the 3ds is till going for $170-$200 after 3 years! Anyway, I enjoyed our back and forth, thanks! That's why I finally signed up! To have some good conversations, civil conversations. Talk to you later, sir.

No problem and im glad u joined for good reasons, it seems that alot of people join to talk up there console of choice and trash others. Theres something else I want to add to our conversation before u go.

Ur right in theory a hefty price cut on the original 3DS and XL would likely give a nice boost, the first price cut was 2.5 years ago and the XL released 1.5 years ago so a price cut seems like it should be right around the corner. In reality tho a price cut just simply isnt an option for Nintendo right now. Nintendo is expecting to post a loss this fiscal year and Wii U is still being sold at a loss, they need the 3DS/XL to remain at there current prices in order to help offset these losses.

Thats why I believe they released the 2DS in the first place, a price cut on the other models isnt possible but they needed a lower entry point to prevent sales from stagnating too much so they released a bare bones entry level sku. At the very earliest I can see a price cut in late summer/early fall to something like 2DS $99, 3DS $129-139, XL $149-169. This will give sales nice bump initially but 3 years after the first price cut, 2 years after XL release and one year after 2DS release are people really holding off on purchasing these for a $30-50 price reduction when u coild easily find them at those prices over the holidays?