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supernihilist said:
Kane1389 said:
supernihilist said:
LOL Sony talking about the decline of others is really funny when they are on the verge of closing half of they bussineses.
Anyway. Theres no decline for Nintendo. Is a decline from Wii popularity nothing else. Nintendo is actually stronger than ever was.


This isnt from Sony CEO, its from their PlayStation UK department, and in that specific department, they are annihilating Nintendo on every level


If hes talking only about UK then i can agree with him. Otherwise, this is just propaganda.

If he was talking about US, Europe or any other country other than Japan, he'd still have a point



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marley said:
Kane1389 said:
supernihilist said:
LOL Sony talking about the decline of others is really funny when they are on the verge of closing half of they bussineses.
Anyway. Theres no decline for Nintendo. Is a decline from Wii popularity nothing else. Nintendo is actually stronger than ever was.


This isnt from Sony CEO, its from their PlayStation UK department, and in that specific department, they are annihilating Nintendo on every level


Are they really? 

(PS4 > Wii-U) + (3ds > Vita) = Pure annihilation

I guess that makes sense some how.....

PS4, PS3, PSP, Vita >>>>>> Wii, DS, 3DS Wii U

Yeah they are



Kane1389 said:
marley said:
Kane1389 said:
supernihilist said:
LOL Sony talking about the decline of others is really funny when they are on the verge of closing half of they bussineses.
Anyway. Theres no decline for Nintendo. Is a decline from Wii popularity nothing else. Nintendo is actually stronger than ever was.


This isnt from Sony CEO, its from their PlayStation UK department, and in that specific department, they are annihilating Nintendo on every level


Are they really? 

(PS4 > Wii-U) + (3ds > Vita) = Pure annihilation

I guess that makes sense some how.....

PS4, PS3, PSP, Vita >>>>>> Wii, DS, 3DS Wii U

Yeah they are

Cute.  Well, if you want to include last gen systems:   Nintendo 304.1m consoles > Sony  175.31m consoles

 

So, no they are not. 

 

Let's not even compare both companies' software sales, which would only further disprove your flimsy 'annihilation' assertion. 



marley said:
Kane1389 said:
marley said:
Kane1389 said:
supernihilist said:
LOL Sony talking about the decline of others is really funny when they are on the verge of closing half of they bussineses.
Anyway. Theres no decline for Nintendo. Is a decline from Wii popularity nothing else. Nintendo is actually stronger than ever was.


This isnt from Sony CEO, its from their PlayStation UK department, and in that specific department, they are annihilating Nintendo on every level


Are they really? 

(PS4 > Wii-U) + (3ds > Vita) = Pure annihilation

I guess that makes sense some how.....

PS4, PS3, PSP, Vita >>>>>> Wii, DS, 3DS Wii U

Yeah they are

Cute.  Well, if you want to include last gen systems:   Nintendo 304.1m consoles > Sony  175.31m consoles

 

So, no they are not. 

 

Let's not even compare both companies' software sales, which would only further disprove your flimsy 'annihilation' assertion. 


I was obviously talking about weekly sales, (UK weekly, to be even more specific,), but keep spinning and reaching if it helps you sleep better at night.



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supernihilist said:
LOL Sony talking about the decline of others is really funny when they are on the verge of closing half of they bussineses.
Anyway. Theres no decline for Nintendo. Is a decline from Wii popularity nothing else. Nintendo is actually stronger than ever was.


Really? What makes you think Nintendo is stronger than ever? 

 

I personally don't want Sony to shift their attention to 'young' gamers and casuals. If they go down that track I'll be gaming elsewhere. 



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supernihilist said:
LOL Sony talking about the decline of others is really funny when they are on the verge of closing half of they bussineses.
Anyway. Theres no decline for Nintendo. Is a decline from Wii popularity nothing else. Nintendo is actually stronger than ever was.


Nintendo isnt declining?

Nintendo handheld sales after 2.5-3 years

GBA sales end of 2003-46.7 million

DS sales end of 2007-64.1 million

3DS sales end of 2013-42.2 million

Nintendo console sales after first full year

GC sales end of 2002-7.1 million

Wii sales end of 2007-19.5 million

Wii U sales end of 2013-5.5 million

Not only have they declined from Wii/DS era but they are also currently doing worse than the GC/GBA era which was their worst generation. Also here is the annual hardware sales from 2008 (best year) til now.

2008-53.8 million (Wii+DS)

2009-48.8 million (Wii+DS)

2010-38 milion (Wii+DS)

2011-34.5 million (Wii+DS+3DS)

2012-24.5 million (Wii+DS+3DS+Wii U)

2013-20 million (Wii+DS+3DS+Wii U)



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cura said:
supernihilist said:
LOL Sony talking about the decline of others is really funny when they are on the verge of closing half of they bussineses.
Anyway. Theres no decline for Nintendo. Is a decline from Wii popularity nothing else. Nintendo is actually stronger than ever was.


Really? What makes you think Nintendo is stronger than ever? 

 

I personally don't want Sony to shift their attention to 'young' gamers and casuals. If they go down that track I'll be gaming elsewhere. 

The shift to "casuals" is already occuring.
Sony tried to capture that market with the Playstation 3 with the "Move".

Then they are making some big pushes with indies, if they secure an exclusive indie that turns out to be the next Minecraft... Meow.

However, the split attention towards casuals and the more "serious" gamers started last generation on all platforms, it's unavoidable, it's more money, which is what a for-profit business exists for.

Personally, I do agree with Sony that if Nintendo does sink it would be bad for the entire market, competition breeds innovation and lower prices, it's one of the fantastic things about capitalism.




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supernihilist said:
aryu said:
supernihilist said:
LOL Sony talking about the decline of others is really funny when they are on the verge of closing half of they bussineses.
Anyway. Theres no decline for Nintendo. Is a decline from Wii popularity nothing else. Nintendo is actually stronger than ever was.

Sure it is, especially after reporting a loss in its quarterly report.

Also I'm surprised by your reaction. . Sony is showing concern about Nintendo and the effect that it would have on the gaming industry. You also forget that Sony Computer Entertainment (the company which runs the PlayStation brand) is not on the 'decline'. Have you not seen the recent PS3/PS4 sales?


The guy of Sony WHICH IS COMPETENCE OF NINTENDO not friends, this is just PR to install "Nintendo is in decline" mindset into people. mental control, brainwashing to a degree.

Nintendo is NOT in decline. WiiU is a failed product. Thats it, they will move on and be successful again with ease.

The thing is in the home console market Nintendo has been in decline for several generations. NES>SNES>N64>GC. If anything Wii was a blip on the radar and Wii U is actually a return to form in home consoles. What has kept Nintendo safe over the last few decades is handhelds. Gameboy and gameboy advance were both highly successful, both of them outselling their contemporary home consoels by large margins. And then there was DS, when all comes out in the wash it has probnably outsold PS2, but in any case damned close and so a humungous success.

3DS got off to a bad start, Nintendo had to cut the price to the point they were losing money on hardware. It's stayed low and Nintendo felt the need to put out a supporting, cheaper sku (2DS) to boost sales. And for the first time Nintendo released a home console which sold at a loss. making the negative growth in handhelds quite a problem, because they don't have a highly profitable platform to subsidise the unprofitable one. Hence a number of quarters of losses.

Nintendo lost the big spending console gamers to PS (who went and lost quite a few to XB), and despite Wii's apparent success they haven;t figured out how to get them back. And now handhelds face their first ever serious competition in phones and tablets, and so the handheld market is shrinking too.

Nintendo's cash reserves are keeping them healthy for now, but their situation is pretty serious. They need to live off their income not their savings.



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