zippy said:
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It can't die on you if there are no games to play on it! Just trolling!! LOL
zippy said:
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It can't die on you if there are no games to play on it! Just trolling!! LOL
SubiyaCryolite said:
Theres your proof. Every single 3rd party in that game up there runs better on the 360. Every single firts party game there is not leaps and bounds above the 3rd party games. Owning a Wii U doesnt make me blind to the fact that it has outdated technology. My original comment doesnt deny the Wii to Wii U jump, it STATES the obvious fact that the jump is insignificant when its base was so low to begin with. My second comment was to point out how pointless it is to act like Nintendos jump is some achievement that should be lauded because it isnt, they are and will be playing cath up for the forseeable future. |
Honestly that isn't "proof" as it's simply a picture of Wii U games. However, I do not care whether or not you have a Wii U. It seems like you still don't understand what I'm saying. I am saying that just because you have a Wii U doesn't mean you are suddenly unbiased and know what you're talking about in regards to the Wii U.
Also, your original comment does deny the "jump" by saying it is "offset." That is by definition trying to argue that the jump doesn't matter (while in context with this thread) as standalone. What happened the previous generation should have no bearing on the difference from Wii to Wii U.
You're still not getting it. The video wasn't about saying "Wii U is so powerful." It's making a rather pointless argument that the Wii to Wii U jump is actually substantial. If you paid any attention to the video or had anything worth saying, you would know this already.
Your second comment was also pointless because it's completely off topic. It has nothing to do with the video or what I was saying. It's like you're trying to change the argument so you can win, but we aren't even arguing about that. I am simply stating the truth about what you said with your original comment pretty much trying to put the Wii U down by being off topic.
Do us all a favor and actually pay attention next time so you will actually see that the video wasn't about Wii U winning this generation, but rather that Nintendo made the biggest improvement within their own line of hardware for this generation. Like I have said so many times already, I'm not saying it's a good argument. Your comment just simply isn't talking about the same thing.
But they made the smallest leap between the GC and the Wii. Meaning they had a lot of room for improvement this gen.
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They also use the least amount of energy
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Conina said: Why are they showing footage of Resident Evil Revelation when talking about a graphical leap? That game has sub-par graphics on every platform it was realesed except the 3DS. It looks like a HD-remastered 6th generation game... PS3, 360 and WiiU can all deliver a much better performance, even with multiplatform titles. |
well for all intents purpsose it kinda is, we are talking about an up rezzed 3ds game.
MDMAlliance said:
1. Indeed, just a pic on MY domain with games matching MY collection. 2. I guess unbaised means not criticising a console I own, noted. 3. Owning one gives me a clue to what Im talking about thank you very much.
1. Where I come from, offset doesnt mean deny. 2. The jump happened but its effect on consumers and the industry is minimal because the rest of it made the jump in 2005. The Wii U wont do anything that hasnt been done already in the console space. 3. Convenient new rule youve made up, which doesnt really make any sense. Of cousre it serves you to leave that out so that the Wii Us so called "leap" cant be put into context. 1. Again, how is matching 2005 era technology in 2013 substantial? If Nintendo operated in a vacuum maybe. 2. My point that leap is offeset by the Wiis low base is perfectly valid. Its a big jump but thats 8 years overdue. I dont see whats wrong with what I said, consideringat leat 3 other people here have said the exact same thing. 1. Your second comment was also pointless because it's completely off topic. It has nothing to do with the video or what 2. I was saying. It's like you're trying to change the argument so you can win, but we aren't even arguing about that. 3. I am simply stating the truth about what you said with your original comment pretty much trying to put the Wii U down by being off topic. 1. I was trying to explain how to the consumer and the industry, the Wii U s jump will largely go unnoticed because of the PS4 and X1 own technological advances. Of course choose to ignore that. And the 3 other people who have said the exact same thing I did in this thread, who you also choose to ignore. I dont why Ive upset you so much 2. It was explaining my offset stance further 3. Again, I was not off-topic, its just something you dont want to hear clearly. Do us all a favor and actually pay attention next time so you will actually see that the video wasn't about Wii U winning this generation, but rather that Nintendo made the biggest improvement within their 1. own line of hardware for this generation. Like I have said so many times already, I'm not saying it's a good argument. Your comment just simply isn't talking about the same thing. 1. Again, even within the Nintendo vacuum that holds no water as its offset the low base of the Wii. I dont know why this basic logical fact is so hard for you to understand. |
If I tried to sell the Wii U to my friends or a customer by saying "Its made the biggest leap of the three" I would be flat out lying because that isnt true when put in context. I guess thats another "cheap shot" in your eyes, whatever.
At least 3 other people have said the exact same thing Ive said in this very thread and I dont see you targetting them for being "off topic". If I am offtopic then Id like a mod to tell me so.
SubiyaCryolite said:
If I tried to sell the Wii U to my friends or a customer by saying "Its made the biggest leap of the three" I would be flat out lying because that isnt true when put in context. I guess thats another "cheap shot" in your eyes, whatever. At least 3 other people have said the exact same thing Ive said in this very thread and I dont see you targetting them for being "off topic". If I am offtopic then Id like a mod to tell me so. |
Also, mods don't enforce the off topic rule as hard as most of the other ones. Especially when an off topic comment may SEEM like it is on topic.
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adriane23 said: But they made the smallest leap between the GC and the Wii. Meaning they had a lot of room for improvement this gen. |
Yes, it was easier for them to make a larger leap. I think the video is more directed towards people who think that the difference between the Wii and Wii U isn't that big. Although I kind of don't see the point of the video either way. It's a weak argument given that not many people are thinking the Wii and Wii U power difference is small.
curl-6 said: Wii U's GPU is not well documented; it has no been identified as any single pre-existing GPU. There hasn't been improvement in third party efforts because less and less resources and effort are being invested in them due to low sales, which were partly caused by the shittiness of early ports. Besides a few like Frozenbyte and Criterion, nobody has really even tried to push the system. They just haven't bothered. You can't forcefeed a system code written for different architecture and expect it to perform well. As for Wii/Xbox, RAM speed was also against the Xbox; CPU cycles would be lost waiting for its slower RAM to respond, and when a mistake was made, its longer pipeline meant more processing time was wasted. Xbox may look beefier on paper, but in practice it lost out due to inefficiency compared to the Wii. |
It won't be identified as any pre-existing gpu exactly either as it integrates a wii gpu within it. It is likely A Radeon HD 6400 mobility gpu or similar. The point is its a Radeon architecture gpu of humble origins which Nintendo won't release details of but developers will have the documentation on. Also adds a high speed mpeg compression engine.
The second paragraph is your belief that the wii u is getting lazy ports. This was the same excuse given to wii games. It is the standard Nintendo fanboy defence but its much more likely based on overwhelming evidence that the wii u is performing as expected based on its hardware design which has many huge weaknesses.
Again you have made a defence of the wii cpu based on your belief that somehow the xbox is inefficient. The xbox has cache memory all over the place including the cpu and gpu, it has a high 6.4GB/s memory bandwidth continous 64MB of memory, a full sound processor again with its own cache. The wii has a 2MB frame buffer, 1MB texture cache, 24MB main memory and 64MB DDR buffer area but no hard drive.
You really just need to look at the maximum performance level of both consoles.
Just look at Conker on original xbox. Not the artistic style but the rich textures, lighting effects, graphic effects, animation etc. Mario Galaxy while attractive has very similar textures, little depth effect. It sort of resembles a high res Mario 64 in look but Conker has some enhanced effects well beyond wii including defocusing and other stuff. Not only does Conker have more impressive graphics but you get full 5.1 sound.
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