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curl-6 on 07 February 2014
Conina said:
Your race-mantra over and over again with no new arguments, which support your claim that it is a race with a clear-cut end and that it always has been that way.

So where is your precedent? Which former console or handheld is predominantly seen as the "winner" of its generation, but had only the most sold units up to a certain point? Which former "winner" was overtaken after the start of the next generation, but everybody agrees, that it didn't count anymore?

Common sense doesn't need a precedent. You can't win a generation if you were outsold during that generation.



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DonFerrari on 07 February 2014
curl-6 said:
DonFerrari said:
curl-6 said:
DonFerrari said:

An you can't win a gen while being outsold by the last place durmuito g the whole last half and after next gen start.

 

Yes you can. Once the race is over, whatever you do doesn't matter.


So the race was over 2010-2011? nintendo forgot to tell the competitors the race was over?

And my Other post about gen and leap got ignored for reasons?

The race is over now.

What other post?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6043265

The one i posted about your failed analogy.





duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Conina on 07 February 2014
curl-6 said:
Conina said:
Your race-mantra over and over again with no new arguments, which support your claim that it is a race with a clear-cut end and that it always has been that way.

So where is your precedent? Which former console or handheld is predominantly seen as the "winner" of its generation, but had only the most sold units up to a certain point? Which former "winner" was overtaken after the start of the next generation, but everybody agrees, that it didn't count anymore?

Common sense doesn't need a precedent. You can't win a generation if you were outsold during that generation.

The goal of the console manufacturers is not, to have a race which console sells best up to an arbitrary point, then let the product die if that point has passed.

The goal of the console manufacturers is, to sell a console as long as it's profitable and drives the customers to buy additional products connected to that console (games, accessories, subscriptions, other content like movies and music...) and keep those customers for further purchases. It's common sense!



fps_d0minat0r on 07 February 2014
curl-6 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
curl-6 said:
NeoRatt said:

MS, Sony, and Nintendo are still manufacturing their 7th gen consoles, so they obviously don't think the race has ended.  What we are bickering about is when the race ends.  History will judge the 7th gen race on when the consoles quit being manufactured.  That is how every generation has been judged to date.

Its that simple.

If they started selling N64s again and managed to sell more than the PS1 in total, it still wouldn't have won the 5th gen, any more than Germany can retroactively win WW2. PS4, Xbone, and Wii U are out now; the 8th gen has begun, the 7th is in the past.

They are not talking about retarting a race, just finishing one which never ended. Just because one competitor lost its legs after running too fast, it doesnt mean the others which were well paced cant beat it.

It ended when the 7th gen systems were replaced.

 

They havent been replaced, they are stocked longside the PS4 and XB1 with no sign of being discontinued.



curl-6 on 07 February 2014
fps_d0minat0r said:

They havent been replaced, they are stocked longside the PS4 and XB1 with no sign of being discontinued.

Wii U, X1, and PS4 are out. They've been replaced.



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curl-6 on 07 February 2014
Conina said:
curl-6 said:
Conina said:
Your race-mantra over and over again with no new arguments, which support your claim that it is a race with a clear-cut end and that it always has been that way.

So where is your precedent? Which former console or handheld is predominantly seen as the "winner" of its generation, but had only the most sold units up to a certain point? Which former "winner" was overtaken after the start of the next generation, but everybody agrees, that it didn't count anymore?

Common sense doesn't need a precedent. You can't win a generation if you were outsold during that generation.

The goal of the console manufacturers is not, to have a race which console sells best up to an arbitrary point, then let the product die if that point has passed.

The goal of the console manufacturers is, to sell a console as long as it's profitable and drives the customers to buy additional products connected to that console (games, accessories, subscriptions, other content like movies and music...) and keep those customers for further purchases. It's common sense!

There's a reason we now call it LAST GEN.



curl-6 on 07 February 2014
Kane1389 said:

HD resolution output doesnt really count as processing power spec such as Tflops for example. And given how most U games are 720p where almost all PS4 games are 1080p, the 50% difference in pixels is still there. (720p vs 480p)

The gap in actuall spec raw power and memory is bigger than ever

720p is 3 times as many pixels as 480p, 1080p is only double 720p. (And a much less perceptible leap thanks to diminishing returns)



Conina on 08 February 2014
curl-6 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:

They havent been replaced, they are stocked longside the PS4 and XB1 with no sign of being discontinued.

Wii U, X1, and PS4 are out. They've been replaced.

You seem to have big problems to grasp the idea, that a manufacturer offers more than one console concurrently to reach different groups of buyers.



curl-6 on 08 February 2014
Conina said:
curl-6 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:

They havent been replaced, they are stocked longside the PS4 and XB1 with no sign of being discontinued.

Wii U, X1, and PS4 are out. They've been replaced.

You seem to have big problems to grasp the idea, that a manufacturer offers more than one console concurrently to reach different groups of buyers.

As I said, they call it last gen now for a reason.



Conina on 08 February 2014
curl-6 said:

720p is 3 times as many pixels as 480p, 1080p is only double 720p.

ONLY if you compare 480p in 4:3 (640x480) to 720p 16:9 (1280x720) it is a factor of 3.

  • 852x480 (16:9) = 409 kPixel
  • 1280x720 (16:9) = 922 kPixel (factor 2.25)
  • 1920x1080 (16:9) = 2074 kPixel (factor 2.25)

So it is the same factor going from 480p to 720p and going from 720p to 1080p