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Game_God said:
oniyide said:
Game_God said:
oniyide said:
its not 3rd party's responsibility to help the WIi U. its really that simple


Fallacy!!! For years we heard that the outcry Nintendo didn't helped 3rd party!!!


ok, whats your point, it ISNT 3rd party's responsibilty to help the WIi U or any system. There job is to sell THEIR games not consoles. What you said has no bearing at all on what i said and is not fallacy.

So I have to put it very simply to you like a child:

its not Nintendo responsibility to help the 3rd party's. its really that simple

??? what? LOL i never said it was. Why would 3rd party's need Ninty's help? you're just saying stuff now, that doesnt make sense. THey have MULTIPLE viable platforms to develop their games on besides WII U. Either way, dont complain when games dont come to your system.



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Salnax said:
Serious_frusting said:
Nintendo and its fans are the ones to blame


What did I do? I bought my third party ports and exclusives for the 3DS and Wii U, I got some 3rd party eShop exclusives, I even chose ZombiU over Mario at launch because I wanted to support 3rd parties.


your the exception not the rule.



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Nintendo really should buy ubisoft.. Doing this solves multiple problems..
1. Gives them a western presence
2. Would help with game droughts
3. Gives them multiple exclusives and gamers in the west more incentive to buy nintendo hardware.
4. Would fill the gap for genres nintendo does not produce in
5. Gives them an European and 2nd party presence almost as big as Rare.
6. Gives nintendo a group of people who know how to program HD and could lend a hand in game development of franchises not named mario or zelda



oniyide said:
mysteryman said:
oniyide said:
mysteryman said:
Faust said:
mysteryman said:
Faust said:
mysteryman said:
oniyide said:
but the games that were ported over sold like crap

You mean the ports that were missing features, released months later and/ore more expensive? I can't imagine why.

Have there been any multiplat games released on the Wii U with equivalent features, release date and price? I know of Rayman Legends and that did just as well on the Wii U as it did the PS360 despite an install base 75 million lower than each.

Surely if it was worth porting Rayman Legends for only 230k and 300k sales on the 360 and PS3 respectively, then the same could be said for Wii U ports.


rayman legened isnt even a AAA title. Besides, the ps3 version sold more copies even with GTAV eating all the cake the same month. 

You mean a user base of 75 million more users bought a whole 30k more copies of Legends? Wow.


like i said, Rayman legends was released alongside with GTAV. Besides if the user base isn't the only thing that matters for a succesful launch, well, wii says hi...

This isn't a launch though, I'm not sure what you're igetting at.

The user base isn't all that matter of course, but it does have to be taken into account, particularly when comparing sales on  a system with 5 million users to one with 80 million...


I gave you examples you are ignoring them. COD and AC4 just to name two.

You gave examples that were either missing features, released later and/or cheaper elsewhere.

AFAIK Ghosts and AC4 are missing features as well. Both launched near Mario 3D World as well.

Any other multiplat games released on the Wii U with equivalent features, release date and price?

what features were they missing? and no DLC is NOT a feature. and Ghosts was cheapest on Wii U. So those are your two right there, try to debunk those first.


DLC is definitely a feature, particularly for multiplayer focused games like CoD, where additional maps are released, with maps being central to the multiplayer experience. Why buy a game on the WiiU when it's not going to get ongoing support on other platforms? I believe online clans were also missing. Ghosts also suffers from Black Ops 2's smaller multiplayer user base.

If DLC wasn't a feature, why would Sony bother with exclusive DLC content?



oniyide said:
Game_God said:
supernihilist said:
Honestly i think 3rd parties should be happy with what they get in return since the effort they put on products regarding WiiU rangews from weak to abysmal.
200k for a outsourced port is not bad really. they aim too high


This!!!

 They know Nintendo gamers don't eat medium products like the hardlycore on the other consoles who are satisfied by boobs & blood. We want great products that's why we buy Nintendo, they really are stupid if they think shallow random action games will sell on Nintendo platforms!

oh please you sound like a child. If the games or so "medium" why even complain when you dont get them? Maybe they are not medium and you are just throwing a hissy fit. Either the games are not up to your great standards which wouldnt matter if they make it to Wii U anyway or you or lying to yourself and you do want them and thats why you are complaining. Pick one.

Try again, where did you read that I was complaining about not getting these mediocre games, I have a PS3 & haven't bought these mediocre games on that platform either... I bought the PS3 for the only few good games that were released on it like GT5/6, Ni No Kuni, Journey, Soul Calibur(despite going stale since the 2nd), Rayman is great but I have the better version on the Wii U. Every generation is the same, Nintendo consoles have less games, but the top 20 games are better than the sea of mediocre games that are released on the other platforms, here & there appear half a dozen of truly great games on the other platforms that I happily enjoy but that's all..., there are more fantastic games on the SNES than on the PS2, PS3, PS4, XBox, XBox360, XBoxOne together, that speaks a lot, the PS1 had quite a few fantastic games too, but from there it's been going downhill, with only Nintendo maintaining high standarts and truly innovating. For "mature" "hardcore" games I have my PC, to play all the generic shooters (BF3 is great despite cheaters & the pseudo aces mistaking it for flight simulator, BF4 sucks, COD used to be good, Crysis as pretty as shallow & CS is CS) since playing shooting games with a gamepad on a console has failed "hardlycore" written all over... great racing sims are the other games played on my PC. I would gladly play them on my Wii U, but I'm realistic, for Nintendo to have the kind of raw power my PC has, it would mean a financial & managment suicide as they would have to sell a 1000$ console to match the graphics & physics of the games I play. That's not what I want from Nintendo, I want the great games they keep on making, so all is well, if 3rd Party want to make me buy their games, do as Nintendo(es) and make great games, not the uninspired shalowness I see. Life too short to play half baked games... & I don't like being a paying beta tester... so...

To end, what I'm complaining is the bull given to Nintendo by (in no particualr order):

Pseudo-gamers who were using diapers when I was already playing the original Tetris, always badmouthing Nintendo because it hurts in their manhood.

Pseudo-journalists who are in reality paid brand integrists nerds, publicity poorly disguised if you want, firing on the one not giving a buck, paid by the ones giving a buck to do so.

Game makers, that are also paid to make this or that game for that platform & try to justify it by spitting on the others because, I mean man, they are so godly & reality only exists because they want so all they say must be true & they r so cool & awsome (not looking @ u Kojima... no, not @ all).

Sorry I find Nintendo games the real mature ones, because they don't pretend to be other things than games & that you have to be trully adult about it when you are not a kid anymore, that is despite being grown up, enjoying games like a kid is not diminishing & it doesn't affect your manhood if it has shells & stars over laser guns, blood & boobs. Using foul language can only go so far as a mean to affirm yourself out of childhood into adulthood. But for most gaming companies I understand it's better keeping gamers in Nerdteenland, where shallow propaganda maintains the everpaying sheep in the herd. Go eat you "New" IP of same old gameplay with shinier graphics while I play fresh, innovative, masterfull & unmatched gameplay in Mario, Zelda "rehashes"...



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No. Sony and Microsoft work really hard for as much support from third parties as they can. Nintendo does very little and doesn't deserve the same or any where near the same level of attention from them.

 

There is also the userbase that doesn't buy much aside from Mario and Zelda. Those 2 need to change drastically before you see a game like GTA on Nintendo home consoles.



mysteryman said:
oniyide said:
mysteryman said:
oniyide said:
mysteryman said:
Faust said:
mysteryman said:
Faust said:
mysteryman said:
oniyide said:
but the games that were ported over sold like crap

You mean the ports that were missing features, released months later and/ore more expensive? I can't imagine why.

Have there been any multiplat games released on the Wii U with equivalent features, release date and price? I know of Rayman Legends and that did just as well on the Wii U as it did the PS360 despite an install base 75 million lower than each.

Surely if it was worth porting Rayman Legends for only 230k and 300k sales on the 360 and PS3 respectively, then the same could be said for Wii U ports.


rayman legened isnt even a AAA title. Besides, the ps3 version sold more copies even with GTAV eating all the cake the same month. 

You mean a user base of 75 million more users bought a whole 30k more copies of Legends? Wow.


like i said, Rayman legends was released alongside with GTAV. Besides if the user base isn't the only thing that matters for a succesful launch, well, wii says hi...

This isn't a launch though, I'm not sure what you're igetting at.

The user base isn't all that matter of course, but it does have to be taken into account, particularly when comparing sales on  a system with 5 million users to one with 80 million...


I gave you examples you are ignoring them. COD and AC4 just to name two.

You gave examples that were either missing features, released later and/or cheaper elsewhere.

AFAIK Ghosts and AC4 are missing features as well. Both launched near Mario 3D World as well.

Any other multiplat games released on the Wii U with equivalent features, release date and price?

what features were they missing? and no DLC is NOT a feature. and Ghosts was cheapest on Wii U. So those are your two right there, try to debunk those first.


DLC is definitely a feature, particularly for multiplayer focused games like CoD, where additional maps are released, with maps being central to the multiplayer experience. Why buy a game on the WiiU when it's not going to get ongoing support on other platforms? I believe online clans were also missing. Ghosts also suffers from Black Ops 2's smaller multiplayer user base.

If DLC wasn't a feature, why would Sony bother with exclusive DLC content?

only 30%  of buyers actually buy the DLC for any giving game, you know you have to pay EXTRA for that feature right? Any thing you pay extra for cant be called a feature. Online clans? people barely bought the game, hence no clans. YOu can blame small userbase on people NOT buying the game. YOu cant have MP user base if no one buys it and none of this even applies to AC4, i wonder what excuse you'll use when Watchdogs sells far below any other version.

Sony and MS both get exclusive or timed DLC that has nothing to do with anything. matter of fact it only makes my point stronger, if DLC was that important as you claim why do PS3 or 360 versions still sell comparitively despite one version may miss DLC? Only logical conclusion is it isnt important at all.



Game_God said:
oniyide said:
Game_God said:
supernihilist said:
Honestly i think 3rd parties should be happy with what they get in return since the effort they put on products regarding WiiU rangews from weak to abysmal.
200k for a outsourced port is not bad really. they aim too high


This!!!

 They know Nintendo gamers don't eat medium products like the hardlycore on the other consoles who are satisfied by boobs & blood. We want great products that's why we buy Nintendo, they really are stupid if they think shallow random action games will sell on Nintendo platforms!

oh please you sound like a child. If the games or so "medium" why even complain when you dont get them? Maybe they are not medium and you are just throwing a hissy fit. Either the games are not up to your great standards which wouldnt matter if they make it to Wii U anyway or you or lying to yourself and you do want them and thats why you are complaining. Pick one.

Try again, where did you read that I was complaining about not getting these mediocre games, I have a PS3 & haven't bought these mediocre games on that platform either... I bought the PS3 for the only few good games that were released on it like GT5/6, Ni No Kuni, Journey, Soul Calibur(despite going stale since the 2nd), Rayman is great but I have the better version on the Wii U. Every generation is the same, Nintendo consoles have less games, but the top 20 games are better than the sea of mediocre games that are released on the other platforms, here & there appear half a dozen of truly great games on the other platforms that I happily enjoy but that's all..., there are more fantastic games on the SNES than on the PS2, PS3, PS4, XBox, XBox360, XBoxOne together, that speaks a lot, the PS1 had quite a few fantastic games too, but from there it's been going downhill, with only Nintendo maintaining high standarts and truly innovating. For "mature" "hardcore" games I have my PC, to play all the generic shooters (BF3 is great despite cheaters & the pseudo aces mistaking it for flight simulator, BF4 sucks, COD used to be good, Crysis as pretty as shallow & CS is CS) since playing shooting games with a gamepad on a console has failed "hardlycore" written all over... great racing sims are the other games played on my PC. I would gladly play them on my Wii U, but I'm realistic, for Nintendo to have the kind of raw power my PC has, it would mean a financial & managment suicide as they would have to sell a 1000$ console to match the graphics & physics of the games I play. That's not what I want from Nintendo, I want the great games they keep on making, so all is well, if 3rd Party want to make me buy their games, do as Nintendo(es) and make great games, not the uninspired shalowness I see. Life too short to play half baked games... & I don't like being a paying beta tester... so...

To end, what I'm complaining is the bull given to Nintendo by (in no particualr order):

Pseudo-gamers who were using diapers when I was already playing the original Tetris, always badmouthing Nintendo because it hurts in their manhood.

Pseudo-journalists who are in reality paid brand integrists nerds, publicity poorly disguised if you want, firing on the one not giving a buck, paid by the ones giving a buck to do so.

Game makers, that are also paid to make this or that game for that platform & try to justify it by spitting on the others because, I mean man, they are so godly & reality only exists because they want so all they say must be true & they r so cool & awsome (not looking @ u Kojima... no, not @ all).

Sorry I find Nintendo games the real mature ones, because they don't pretend to be other things than games & that you have to be trully adult about it when you are not a kid anymore, that is despite being grown up, enjoying games like a kid is not diminishing & it doesn't affect your manhood if it has shells & stars over laser guns, blood & boobs. Using foul language can only go so far as a mean to affirm yourself out of childhood into adulthood. But for most gaming companies I understand it's better keeping gamers in Nerdteenland, where shallow propaganda maintains the everpaying sheep in the herd. Go eat you "New" IP of same old gameplay with shinier graphics while I play fresh, innovative, masterfull & unmatched gameplay in Mario, Zelda "rehashes"...

so...why are you in this thread complaining again? You know you dont HAVE to comment you can play Mario no 25 and be merry.



oniyide said:
Game_God said:
oniyide said:
Game_God said:
supernihilist said:
Honestly i think 3rd parties should be happy with what they get in return since the effort they put on products regarding WiiU rangews from weak to abysmal.
200k for a outsourced port is not bad really. they aim too high


This!!!

 They know Nintendo gamers don't eat medium products like the hardlycore on the other consoles who are satisfied by boobs & blood. We want great products that's why we buy Nintendo, they really are stupid if they think shallow random action games will sell on Nintendo platforms!

oh please you sound like a child. If the games or so "medium" why even complain when you dont get them? Maybe they are not medium and you are just throwing a hissy fit. Either the games are not up to your great standards which wouldnt matter if they make it to Wii U anyway or you or lying to yourself and you do want them and thats why you are complaining. Pick one.

Try again, where did you read that I was complaining about not getting these mediocre games, I have a PS3 & haven't bought these mediocre games on that platform either... I bought the PS3 for the only few good games that were released on it like GT5/6, Ni No Kuni, Journey, Soul Calibur(despite going stale since the 2nd), Rayman is great but I have the better version on the Wii U. Every generation is the same, Nintendo consoles have less games, but the top 20 games are better than the sea of mediocre games that are released on the other platforms, here & there appear half a dozen of truly great games on the other platforms that I happily enjoy but that's all..., there are more fantastic games on the SNES than on the PS2, PS3, PS4, XBox, XBox360, XBoxOne together, that speaks a lot, the PS1 had quite a few fantastic games too, but from there it's been going downhill, with only Nintendo maintaining high standarts and truly innovating. For "mature" "hardcore" games I have my PC, to play all the generic shooters (BF3 is great despite cheaters & the pseudo aces mistaking it for flight simulator, BF4 sucks, COD used to be good, Crysis as pretty as shallow & CS is CS) since playing shooting games with a gamepad on a console has failed "hardlycore" written all over... great racing sims are the other games played on my PC. I would gladly play them on my Wii U, but I'm realistic, for Nintendo to have the kind of raw power my PC has, it would mean a financial & managment suicide as they would have to sell a 1000$ console to match the graphics & physics of the games I play. That's not what I want from Nintendo, I want the great games they keep on making, so all is well, if 3rd Party want to make me buy their games, do as Nintendo(es) and make great games, not the uninspired shalowness I see. Life too short to play half baked games... & I don't like being a paying beta tester... so...

To end, what I'm complaining is the bull given to Nintendo by (in no particualr order):

Pseudo-gamers who were using diapers when I was already playing the original Tetris, always badmouthing Nintendo because it hurts in their manhood.

Pseudo-journalists who are in reality paid brand integrists nerds, publicity poorly disguised if you want, firing on the one not giving a buck, paid by the ones giving a buck to do so.

Game makers, that are also paid to make this or that game for that platform & try to justify it by spitting on the others because, I mean man, they are so godly & reality only exists because they want so all they say must be true & they r so cool & awsome (not looking @ u Kojima... no, not @ all).

Sorry I find Nintendo games the real mature ones, because they don't pretend to be other things than games & that you have to be trully adult about it when you are not a kid anymore, that is despite being grown up, enjoying games like a kid is not diminishing & it doesn't affect your manhood if it has shells & stars over laser guns, blood & boobs. Using foul language can only go so far as a mean to affirm yourself out of childhood into adulthood. But for most gaming companies I understand it's better keeping gamers in Nerdteenland, where shallow propaganda maintains the everpaying sheep in the herd. Go eat you "New" IP of same old gameplay with shinier graphics while I play fresh, innovative, masterfull & unmatched gameplay in Mario, Zelda "rehashes"...

so...why are you in this thread complaining again?


I think I made it quite clear, 3rd parties are the ones @ the wheel of their respective companies so they are the ones responsible for making or not games on Nintendo consoles.

If they don't sell well, they are the ones responsible for not making good enough efforts.

What I'm complaining is as I wrote before:

"To end, what I'm complaining is the bull given to Nintendo by (in no particualr order):

Pseudo-gamers who were using diapers when I was already playing the original Tetris, always badmouthing Nintendo because it hurts in their manhood.

Pseudo-journalists who are in reality paid brand integrists nerds, publicity poorly disguised if you want, firing on the one not giving a buck, paid by the ones giving a buck to do so.

Game makers, that are also paid to make this or that game for that platform & try to justify it by spitting on the others because, I mean man, they are so godly & reality only exists because they want so all they say must be true & they r so cool & awsome (not looking @ u Kojima... no, not @ all)."

Enjoy the games, that's what I do & I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings defending a company that gives it to me straight, over a sea of companies that repeadly try to rape my wallet with bull!



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Game_God said:

Try again, where did you read that I was complaining about not getting these mediocre games, I have a PS3 & haven't bought these mediocre games on that platform either... I bought the PS3 for the only few good games that were released on it like GT5/6, Ni No Kuni, Journey, Soul Calibur(despite going stale since the 2nd), Rayman is great but I have the better version on the Wii U. Every generation is the same, Nintendo consoles have less games, but the top 20 games are better than the sea of mediocre games that are released on the other platforms, here & there appear half a dozen of truly great games on the other platforms that I happily enjoy but that's all..., there are more fantastic games on the SNES than on the PS2, PS3, PS4, XBox, XBox360, XBoxOne together, that speaks a lot (1), the PS1 had quite a few fantastic games too, but from there it's been going downhill, with only Nintendo maintaining high standarts and truly innovating (2). For "mature" "hardcore" games I have my PC, to play all the generic shooters (BF3 is great despite cheaters & the pseudo aces mistaking it for flight simulator, BF4 sucks, COD used to be good, Crysis as pretty as shallow & CS is CS) since playing shooting games with a gamepad on a console has failed "hardlycore" written all over... great racing sims are the other games played on my PC. I would gladly play them on my Wii U, but I'm realistic, for Nintendo to have the kind of raw power my PC has, it would mean a financial & managment suicide as they would have to sell a 1000$ console to match the graphics & physics of the games I play. That's not what I want from Nintendo, I want the great games they keep on making, so all is well, if 3rd Party want to make me buy their games, do as Nintendo(es) and make great games, not the uninspired shalowness I see. Life too short to play half baked games... & I don't like being a paying beta tester... so...

To end, what I'm complaining is the bull given to Nintendo by (in no particualr order):

Pseudo-gamers who were using diapers when I was already playing the original Tetris, always badmouthing Nintendo because it hurts in their manhood.(3)

Pseudo-journalists who are in reality paid brand integrists nerds, publicity poorly disguised if you want, firing on the one not giving a buck, paid by the ones giving a buck to do so.(4)

Game makers, that are also paid to make this or that game for that platform & try to justify it by spitting on the others because, I mean man, they are so godly & reality only exists because they want so all they say must be true & they r so cool & awsome (not looking @ u Kojima... no, not @ all).

Sorry I find Nintendo games the real mature ones, because they don't pretend to be other things than games & that you have to be trully adult about it when you are not a kid anymore, that is despite being grown up, enjoying games like a kid is not diminishing & it doesn't affect your manhood if it has shells & stars over laser guns, blood & boobs.(5) Using foul language can only go so far as a mean to affirm yourself out of childhood into adulthood. But for most gaming companies I understand it's better keeping gamers in Nerdteenland, where shallow propaganda maintains the everpaying sheep in the herd. Go eat you "New" IP of same old gameplay with shinier graphics while I play fresh, innovative, masterfull & unmatched gameplay in Mario, Zelda "rehashes"...(6)

 

1.-is a fact right? im curious, did you make the count? 

2.-oh! the innovation card again, is quite ironic to think that most innovative games arent on nintendo consoles (at least last gen)

3.-So manly ;¬;

4.- Its a conspiracy!!!

5.-Only family friendly games can be considered as matures, there is no other way.

6.-Ok, you are jus trolling, you cant be real.