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160rmf said:

Are you serious? I think you simply ignored my question

 

Would you mind answering for me? (the question on the post you quoted)


Nope, you're the one ignoring facts. He already answered this specific question and now you're asking it again.

 

FlamingWeazel said:

Do you need me to speel it out? if not for hardware we would still be playing pong. Bigger worlds, better AI, interconnectiviy, graphics, physics, effects, immersion, sound, onine features. more advancements in every area. Not to mention gives devs more freedom to do things they simply could not before.

 

 

I guess wii nun chucks had zero to do with wii's success? Thats hardware allowing software to do new things.



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DerNebel said:
160rmf said:

 

 

160rmf said:

Ok fine... games have evolved with advanced hardware, we are not playing pong anymore, we have transited to 3d graphics that had allowed to new possibilities, but now?

 

What are the new possibilities with this generation?

 

So you've admitted he's right and that hardware matters? Yes?

 

/arguement

 

Are you serious? I think you simply ignored my question

 

Would you mind answering for me? (the question on the post you quoted)

Really? How do you expect anyone to answer that? How should we know in what ways developers are going to utilize the extra power they now have available with the PS4/X1?

The simple and undisputable fact is that more power opens up more possibilities in game development, you cannot deny that. How that extra power is going to be used remains to be seen.

OK, so you think devs are going to bring more possibilities to gameplay, putting a lot of effort and money, when people are running to stores to buy the "new" call of duty and fifa, ok ok



 

 

We reap what we sow

I don't care as much about resolution and framerate, but I think it's clear that new systems offer other advantages that older ones don't have. Being able to display mulitiple characters on the screen, improve load times, extend the length of the game, add more voice acting/musical scores, all of these will be improved on better hardware, and all directly impact the games I'm personally interested in.

However, I think the other end of the coin is also true. If hardware was the only thing that mattered, there would be no reason for anyone to purchase the 3DS, or for the Wii or PS2 to take off the way they did. Specifically, the 3DS is actually good evidence of compelling software pushing hardware. Can you imagine if the libraries between the 3DS and the Vita were identical? I'd be willing to bet Vita's current predicament would be much different.

Anecdotal evidence I know, but I have a middle/high school friend who owned every Playstation device growing up...but decided to buy a 3DS instead of the Vita this generation. When I asked him why, he told me that the Vita didn't have any games that he was interested in. I think if a longtime Sony fan can admit this, it must mean something. To me, it seems the answer lies in compelling hardware+software.

It probably seems like I'm agreeing with the OP to the extent, even though it strikes me as the 75th "I heard this from a few Nintendo guys on the internet, let's point fingers at all of them." However.... 

Mystro-Sama said:
Anfebious said:
To me it doesn't matter. Enjoy your overpowered console, I am fine with my Wii U!


Thats the Nintendo mentality... sigh.

 

You've been cultured.

This post is just sad. Seriously, if he enjoys it, let him. No need to be condescending and discard his personal opinion. People are very well capable of enjoying games that don't push graphical prowess on dedicated gaming devices (I'm not going to bring up gaming PCs, since that only seems to be riling people up).



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Better hardware is necessary for certain things, like better lighting, larger areas, more detail in environments, characters, more characters on screen, etc. and there does need to be a bare minimum of hardware to create functional engaging games but those aren't necessarily required to make a great game or a great experience. If a game has better lighting than another it doesn't make that game better, it just means that game has better lighting.

In my opinion what makes a game great is the experience of it and the experience you have of it. How it feels from moment to moment, how the control feels, how immersive the game is, the attention to detail to the game reality and the consistency of that reality, the believability of the world and the characters, the dialogue/script, the pacing/flow, directing, music, etc. most if that isn't really dependent on the level of hardware or graphics, it's dependent on the game's director, storytellers, writers, etc.

I believe that photo realistic graphics aren't necessary for a great game experience, because if the game is made well, with care, empathy, attention to detail to the experience of the game, we'll believe in it regardless of how it looks(to a certain degree). A good example would be Pixar and how all the characters are either toys, animals, or really deformed humans yet we still believe in them when we watch the film, we get immersed and empathize for them. How many live action films have you seen where it's like the real people don't really feel like people at all? We can't relate to them, connect to them, they seem artificial, they don't react properly or believable to the world they're in. But technically shouldn't they feel more real and relatable than anything from a Pixar film?

To me games like Final Fantasy 4, 6, Chrono Trigger, GTA III+SA, Ocarina of Time, etc. demonstrated that you don't need amazing graphics or sound to create an incredible game experience, believable characters or world. You need good writers, a good empathetic director, and a focus on the experience/feel of the game. Our brains actually don't need much to go on to start believing in worlds, stories, etc. This is one of the reasons why I'm really fond of Nintendo because this is what they focus on when creating their games, it's about the core experience, the feeling of the game and immersion. People always say "but it's the same damn game again and again lol". It's not, it's a totally different/new experience. It doesn't matter if this game or that game has better graphics or new characters if the experience is not created well and the game itself is not immersive then it has failed.

I'm all for better hardware but I'm not obsessed with it and don't believe it's necessary to create good games. There's no need to lose billions of dollars just to get some better polygons 2 years sooner than you would have anyways. Eye Candy is fun but it won't make a bad game good. It also doesn't make all games on the system with better hardware superior to all games with weaker hardware. Sometimes I feel like it's a marketing gimmick designed to entice people "Look at the graphics, this game must be better because the graphics are better." even though the experience could be weak and hollow. It also seems like companies can get away with just improving graphics instead of creating better experiences.



160rmf said:
DerNebel said:
160rmf said:

 

Are you serious? I think you simply ignored my question

 

Would you mind answering for me? (the question on the post you quoted)

Really? How do you expect anyone to answer that? How should we know in what ways developers are going to utilize the extra power they now have available with the PS4/X1?

The simple and undisputable fact is that more power opens up more possibilities in game development, you cannot deny that. How that extra power is going to be used remains to be seen.

OK, so you think devs are going to bring more possibilities to gameplay, putting a lot of effort and money, when people are running to stores to buy the "new" call of duty and fifa, ok ok

And you think developers are not going to look for new ways to exploit the extra power they are given with those machines, because Cod and Fifa sell? What kind of a ridiculous conclusion is that?



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It doesn't matter. If it did, we'd all be talking about PC right now. Just PC.



it kinda does why do you think the division and the crew aren't coming to the wii u



it does why do you think the crew and the division aren't coming to the wii u



Super_Boom said:

This post is just sad. Seriously, if he enjoys it, let him. No need to be condescending and discard his personal opinion. People are very well capable of enjoying games that don't push graphical prowess on dedicated gaming devices (I'm not going to bring up gaming PCs, since that only seems to be riling people up).

 


Calm down i'm not discarding his personal opinion. I'm just saying over time Nintendo got it's gamers use to this system when there is a lot of room for improvement.

 

ironmanDX said:
It doesn't matter. If it did, we'd all be talking about PC right now. Just PC.

 

LOL wut? If it really didn't matter then those games in your signature you seem so proud of wouldn't even exist.



Hearing graphics are important from a console gamer is laughable. Reporting this for trolling but since I know nothing will happen I may as well put your BS claims to rest with facts.

Also before I start. Welcome to 2009 with your PS4 X1 specs. okay now to show how bias this is and I can do it with 2 letters.

PC.

Whatever excuse you use to justify not being a PC only gamer, is something more important than graphics. I mean we all know PC has the best graphics and if that is the most important thing then people wouldn't waste their time with inferior consoles.

Beyond that fact which cannot be argued, I would also add SMG. For all their power neither console has a higher rated exclusive game. All those HD games and they all fall under the score of a game on an SD console..