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Here a two years port for Xbox.

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/grand-theft-auto-3-xbox-vs-playstation-2-video

It is better but...



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theprof00 said:

I don't know how detractors have managed to control a debate to such a point that it no longer makes sense arguing, but it's happened. At this point, both sides are arguing whether you can see the 1080 vs 720 difference, whether fuzziness lends a more cinematic experience, and if too much AA makes things too hard to see.

It's all nonsense.

The argument was never about whether CoD had better shacks, or whether AC4 had "just the right amount of smoke", or if Lara's skin looked 'so lifelike'.

It was about the undeniable FACT of these differences within multiplats PROVES the massive power difference.

People would say, I don't see much of a difference in the resolutions. It doesn't matter what you think...it takes a massive amount of power to go from 720 to 1080. They would think that is a legitimate argument within the context of power! It's like every single new thread that pops up about this is addressing it from such a skewed perspective. And about multiplats no less, where console optimization is likely minimal at best.

Just because you don't think the visual fidelity looks much better, it doesn't mean the capabilities are equal! It doesn't mean that those little differences will be the only difference you'll ever see. Launch multiplat unoptimized ports showing PROVEN difference immediately should tell you that.

I am so tired of reading this garbage everyday. I just want these framerate threads to end. It's so incessant and mindless.

well i'll just leave it at that.

You're right it's not about frame rate, it's about fanboyism. The graphical difference is minimal in reality.



vivster said:

I thought I'd make a similar thread to this.

So let's say the gap between the consoles in multiplat titles stays the same. Will there be numerous threads about every multiplat for the next 6 years?
 Who will get bored faster? Sony fans making these threads or X1 fans defending their box. Will threads like these succumb to self celebratory jerkfests for Sony fans or will they get bored of it eventually?

Well stated.  Anyone with reason knows the PS4 is more powerful... duh.  Which leads me into exactly what you just said...



morenoingrato said:
The problem is not that XOne fans don't understand that the PS4 is more powerful.
It is just PS4 fans fail to understand XOne fans already understood PS4 is more powerful.

Another good post.  People love antagonizing, and some of you are too silly to realize it!

The saying goes, "Never argue with an idiot.  They will simply drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience!"



ethomaz said:
I think people needs to know first what the Emotion Engine is capable.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2000/02/ee/

Of course the Xbox was more powerful but it was no like PS4 to Xbone.


I'm gonna presume you didn't own an original Xbox. Xbox often looked a generation ahead of PS2.

At the end of the day we should go by what we saw.

 



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ethomaz said:
Here a two years port for Xbox.

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/grand-theft-auto-3-xbox-vs-playstation-2-video

It is better but...


GTA3 was built for PS2 and the Xbox version was a small improvment.

Look at the videos I posted, you're gonna be eating crow.



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ethomaz said:
Here a two years port for Xbox.

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/grand-theft-auto-3-xbox-vs-playstation-2-video

It is better but...

You also a have to realize that most developers never fully tapped into the true potential of the original X-Box because its sales where mediocre at best.  Also if you want to see the best of what it was capable of you need to look at videos of exclusive games.



theprof00 said:

I don't know how detractors have managed to control a debate to such a point that it no longer makes sense arguing, but it's happened. At this point, both sides are arguing whether you can see the 1080 vs 720 difference, whether fuzziness lends a more cinematic experience, and if too much AA makes things too hard to see.

It's all nonsense.

The argument was never about whether CoD had better shacks, or whether AC4 had "just the right amount of smoke", or if Lara's skin looked 'so lifelike'.

It was about the undeniable FACT of these differences within multiplats PROVES the massive power difference.

People would say, I don't see much of a difference in the resolutions. It doesn't matter what you think...it takes a massive amount of power to go from 720 to 1080. They would think that is a legitimate argument within the context of power! It's like every single new thread that pops up about this is addressing it from such a skewed perspective. And about multiplats no less, where console optimization is likely minimal at best.

Just because you don't think the visual fidelity looks much better, it doesn't mean the capabilities are equal! It doesn't mean that those little differences will be the only difference you'll ever see. Launch multiplat unoptimized ports showing PROVEN difference immediately should tell you that.

I am so tired of reading this garbage everyday. I just want these framerate threads to end. It's so incessant and mindless.

well i'll just leave it at that.

Yeah, you sure told us! You're so sick of this topic and all the threads about it that you decided to make another thread about it!!!! 

Thanks!



I really don't understand how the Xbox One is having trouble running games at 60 FPS, when the Wii was able to run Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 and Donkey Kong at 60 FPS. I get they are different types of games (cartoon style vs. more realistic) but the Xbox One should have ton's of power to make it happen.



superhippy420 said:
I really don't understand how the Xbox One is having trouble running games at 60 FPS, when the Wii was able to run Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 and Donkey Kong at 60 FPS. I get they are different types of games (cartoon style vs. more realistic) but the Xbox One should have ton's of power to make it happen.


Developers are still learning how to better optimize the hardware.

Your examples aren't the most visually demanding games either. I mean BF4 and Forza 5 run at 60 fps and technically look much better than the games you mentioned.



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