ps2 was a beast of a console, when it came out, xbox and GC were more powerful because they came out a year and a half later, and even then MGS2/GT5 look amazing better then any of the launch games of both GC and xbox. as for the wii, when it's all said and done it's gonna beat both ps3/36o by 10 million, not a real domination by any means, and look at wiiu successor, i'm pretty sure gamers are not buying it cause of the bad taste the wii left in there mouth by being such an inferior console.

I'm done here. 

I get that people have different opinions.  In my opinion SM3DW is a better exclusive then anything PS4 and Xbox One has put out.  My point is that Xbox One had a stronger (brand wise, popularity wise) 1st party lineup and it made no difference at all.   Both Dead Rising 2 and Killzone 3 sold 2.5 million total.  Forza 4 sold a pretty strong 4.1 million.  Killer Instinct on SNES moved 3.2 million and 820k on the N64.     Many people consider Pikmin 3 and Wonderful 101 to be great games, but they were horrible choices to try and move the console.    Last Gen COD and Battlefield sold better on Xbox then Playsation.  Now that it's selling better on Playstation, that says to me that a ton of Xbox gamers have shifted over to Playstation, and that the exclusives for both didnt make a big difference either way.

nice argument,you don't think the ps3/360 will sell 93 million units, they haven't even dropped to 149$ yet, and then they have the 99$ dollar drop.

Sony pushed people away with their $600 PS3, Microsoft pushed them back with their 2013 fiasco.

Also people got pulled in regardless because of momentum and popularity of the PS4.

It may only end up winning by 10 million but it also moved more 1st party software then the other 2 combined even without Wii Sports which was the bundle game, which I am sure Sony and Microsoft would kill for, considering that's where all the money is made.   The Wii U just needs games, and not niche hardcore titles like Pikmin and W101 that only appeal to gamers..  1.3 million consoles have been sold ever since SM3DW came out.  If Nintendo would have had Donkey Kong and Mario Kart out for the holidays it would have outsold easily outsold the Xbox One at 1.5 million and would have given the PS4 a very strong run for its money at 2 million.    Nintendo made the choice to make a weaker console graphically, which can work just fine, but without games to back it up both the casuals and hardcores will ignore it.   Their problem now is having to wash off the stink of being the failure console even once those games come out,  it took Sony atleast 3 years to wash that stink off of the PS3.

xbox1 and ps4 ahaven't even come close to releasing a killer app, yet they are selling much better then wiiu, so don't give the line they just need games, when wiiu launched with 2d mario, the sequel to the game that sold 21 million units, and it's funny you mention super mario 3d world as the reason the wiiu selling 1.3 million units, thats's not the reason, the reason is something called the holidays, its when every console sales explode, even dreamcast sold 1.2 miilion during the holidays.

So you want to make the case that Nintendo would have sold 1.3 million without SM3DW. Ridiculous. Nah it would have looked like the Vita's US December sales (95k).  Where was that bump?      PS4 / Xbox One do have their killer apps from last gen which where Call of Duty and FIFA.  Go look at past sales, go look at current sales.  PS4 and Xbox One are both going to have a hard time moving forward really pumping those sales up unless they find more killer app's, because a ton of COD/FIFA hardcore fans have already purchased their new console, and there are more people overall that are not playing those anymore, then there are that continue to.        Wii U also launched with NSMBU and had the 2nd best launch of all time, before PS4 and Xbox Ones launches, so I think as a launch game it did pretty good for them. 

Well only because one of us is assessing the images objectively and the other defensively. Hint I'm doing it objectively.

But showing stills is stupid because people don't experience video games as a series of static pictures they can look at for a few minutes and pick out all flaws, both obvious and subtle, assess the extent of pixelation, analyse the quality of the anti-aliasing, examine the textures, etc. If you had a random selection of people playing PS4 and Xb one versions of whatever that game is (I don't recognise it but I assume it's either BF4 or DoD:G) using identical controllers, then only a handful would be able to tell you which is the better looking game. Especially if you didn't tell them that the purpose of the exercise is to assess which game looks better. 

I think the larger point, that the consoles can deliver comparable visual quality, even if PS4 version will typically be better when subject to rigorous analytical scrutiny, means the spec pissing contest is largely irrelevant when taken in isolation for the general consumer. But when factoring in price a few more people will care, but only those who have done research and found out that in general PS4 will deliver better visuals for multiplatform games. For most people the extent of their research will be to ask the clerks at the store they're buying the console in, and those people will be heavily influenced by their personal bias if they are gamers, or they won't have a clue because they just work there. Even if answering honestly the store clerk who favours Xb one might say something like "the graphics quality is very similar", which true relative to Wii U and PS360 (in terms of being better) and relative to gaming PC (in terms of being worse). The clerk who favours PS4 might say "Ps4 is noticably better" which is also true when subject to technical analysis.

Depending on the motivation of the clerk a consumer who is pretty much neutral can be convinced to buy either PS4 or Xb one based on honest but biased advice.

is 1.3 million suppose to be impressive, even the dead wii managed simiilair or better numbers last year. not to mention the dead dreamcast sold very similar.