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Who done it?

Sony pulled people in 72 55.38%
 
Microsoft pushed them away. 57 43.85%
 
Total:129
superhippy420 said:
naruball said:
superhippy420 said:
random15 said:
superhippy420 said:
random15 said:
Also saying x1 has better games is just your opinion not a fact. And NO they DO NOT have the same specs.


No its not. Xbox One has more exclusives and total sales have been higher.  We dont have numbers on Killer Instinct and Resogun, but KI is a game fans had been begging Microsoft for now for years and should no doubt have a bigger impact then Resogun.  All the 3rd party games have done much better on PS4.

PS4(1.75 million)

Killzone - 1.25 m.

Knack - .5 m.

 

Xbox One (2.2 million)

Forza 5 - .92 million

Dead Rising 3 - .64 million

Ryse - .64 million


Sales=Quality GOTCHA! Therefore today, January 19 2014, I proclaim Call of Duty as the best game ever.

Also might aswell add fighter within and zoo tycon while you are at it. 


It's not purely just the sales its just the reality.  I don't own either consoles but the combination of Killzone and Knack is no doubt worse then the combination of Forza 5, Dead Rising 3, and Ryse.    Either way for both consoles what it means if that no one really cares about their exclusives (for now), because Call of Duty,FIFA, and Battlefield have outsold everything by far.  Assassin's Creed IV on PS4 has the exact same sales as Killzone as well.

No doubt based on what exactly? Quality is subjective. The Last of Us got most of the game of the year awards last year and many people who played it said they didn't enjoy it. So, was it good or bad? Neither. It's debatable, because it's subjective. Hence random15 rightly pointing out that it's "not a fact"

I dont see it.  The general consensus about Knack was that it sucked, and Killzone is that its a decent game with great graphics.. Pretty much everything I have seen said Forza was solid, Dead Rising 3 was very good, and Ryse was a mediocre game with great visuals.   Not to mention that Killer Instinct has been begged for by its fans for years on end, and they released that at launch too.  You can have a different opinion, but that is why I feel like Xbox Ones exclusive lineup was much better, and it made no difference because last generation Call of Duty and FIFA moved all the consoles.  Alot has been made of Nintendos 3rd party problems, but as of right now Sony and Microsoft are having the same 1st party problems.  

And this why that is an opinion and not a fact. As a matter of fact, there have been several threads made by people who have played Knack and claim that they had fun and that it by no means the terrible game that critics make it to be. Additionally, parents who have played it with their children have also said that it was great especially for the children. Again, quality is subjective. Feel free to express your opinion, but please refrain from making absolute statements such as "no doubt" and telling people that are wrong when they simply point out that what you're describing is "not a fact". Even if 90% of critics and gamers agreed with you, it still wouldn't be a fact and there most certainly would be doubt. 

Also, better quality does not make a line up better for everyone. Say Resogun was released as a retail game and critics called it the best next generation retail game, but gamers didn't care for it, would Sony have the better line up? No, because those gamers are not interested in that game. I, for example, could not care less for Dead Rising, Forza and Killzone, so if a console had "terrible" games like Ryse and Knack, I'd consider buying that one instead. 



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There are quite a few factors involved. Reducing it to two and making it one or the other creates a false view of the situation.

There is also the fact that this should have been somewhat expected. Despite starting later and launching at a ridiculous price, the PS3 was more popular than the 360 through most of its life-cycle. It has a much higher sales rate. The 360 had most of the advantages last gen, yet Playstation still emerged as the stronger brand. Why did many people assume it would be different this gen?



pezus said:
Sony did nothing right, MS did everything wrong. There, I said it

releasing a small powerful and nice looking console, at 399$, with 8gb of super fast ram, is nothing right, LOL.



drake4 said:
pezus said:
Sony did nothing right, MS did everything wrong. There, I said it

releasing a small powerful and nice looking console, at 399$, with 8gb of super fast ram, is nothing right, LOL.

Pretty sure most of us don't actually care about the hardware itself but price is a different story.



pokoko said:
There are quite a few factors involved. Reducing it to two and making it one or the other creates a false view of the situation.

There is also the fact that this should have been somewhat expected. Despite starting later and launching at a ridiculous price, the PS3 was more popular than the 360 through most of its life-cycle. It has a much higher sales rate. The 360 had most of the advantages last gen, yet Playstation still emerged as the stronger brand. Why did many people assume it would be different this gen?


Microsoft hurt themselves alot too from the RROD thing early on.  I know that was a while ago but most of the people who buy consoles early on are your hardcore (people who buy a ton of games) gamers, and it's tough to sell a new console to people you already pissed off the 1st time.   I'm in that boat.  Not saying I would'nt ever get an Xbox One but I am much more content to wait and see if Sony can sell me on a PS4 this time arround. 



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superhippy420 said:

- 85 percent of the games are exactly the same.

-  Forza 5, Dead Rising 3, Ryse, Killer Instinct vs. Killzone,Knack,Resogun.....Xbox One clearly has the better exclusive lineup. (debatable. It all comes down to one's tastes)

- Hardware specs are essentially the same. (Nope. There was a shitstorm when it was announced that COD had better resolution on ps4 than xb1)

- Cost to play online is the same. (Nope. Ps+ offers a great number of recent "free" games. In that respect, it costs almost nothing, as it doesn't cost an extra $10 to play online on top of the original ps+ subscription cost)

- Almost all of the online features are the same. (no idea, but I guess you're right)

- Microsoft has marketed the Xbox One(McDonalds,Doritos,Moutain Dew,More Signs,More Commercials) much more heavily then Sony has the PS4. TRUE

In my opinion, it's a combination of

1. MS dropping the ball with their initial plans

2. the price difference

3. disappointment in lack of 360 exclusives and focus on Kinect the last couple of years (people felt burned just like wii/psp owners did)

4. Strong first party games for ps3 the last few years and support of the console so close to the launch of ps4

5. INTERNET. The ps4 became the cool thing to have, so many people who are not even hardcore gamers bought it, just like they buy iphones.



fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
pezus said:
Sony did nothing right, MS did everything wrong. There, I said it

releasing a small powerful and nice looking console, at 399$, with 8gb of super fast ram, is nothing right, LOL.

Pretty sure most of us don't actually care about the hardware itself but price is a different story.


people don't care about games performing and looking better?



superhippy420 said:
random15 said:
superhippy420 said:
random15 said:
Also saying x1 has better games is just your opinion not a fact. And NO they DO NOT have the same specs.


No its not. Xbox One has more exclusives and total sales have been higher.  We dont have numbers on Killer Instinct and Resogun, but KI is a game fans had been begging Microsoft for now for years and should no doubt have a bigger impact then Resogun.  All the 3rd party games have done much better on PS4.

PS4(1.75 million)

Killzone - 1.25 m.

Knack - .5 m.

 

Xbox One (2.2 million)

Forza 5 - .92 million

Dead Rising 3 - .64 million

Ryse - .64 million


Sales=Quality GOTCHA! Therefore today, January 19 2014, I proclaim Call of Duty as the best game ever.

Also might aswell add fighter within and zoo tycon while you are at it. 


It's not purely just the sales its just the reality.  I don't own either consoles but the combination of Killzone and Knack is no doubt worse then the combination of Forza 5, Dead Rising 3, and Ryse.    Either way for both consoles what it means if that no one really cares about their exclusives (for now), because Call of Duty,FIFA, and Battlefield have outsold everything by far.  Assassin's Creed IV on PS4 has the exact same sales as Killzone as well.

You have the worst understanding of subjectivity I've ever seen.



drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
pezus said:
Sony did nothing right, MS did everything wrong. There, I said it

releasing a small powerful and nice looking console, at 399$, with 8gb of super fast ram, is nothing right, LOL.

Pretty sure most of us don't actually care about the hardware itself but price is a different story.


people don't care about games performing and looking better?

Did it stop the PS2 and WII from dominating despite the fact that they had weak hardware ? 



drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
pezus said:
Sony did nothing right, MS did everything wrong. There, I said it

releasing a small powerful and nice looking console, at 399$, with 8gb of super fast ram, is nothing right, LOL.

Pretty sure most of us don't actually care about the hardware itself but price is a different story.


people don't care about games performing and looking better?


Not really.  If that was true then the Vita would be whooping the 3DS.   Gamecube would have sold 100 million.   Sega would still be making consoles.  The Wii would have been crushed by 360 and PS3.    GTA on PS2 would have bombed.    It matters to a small percentage of people that buy consoles but overall it doesnt really matter.   People point out the Wii U being weaker as the reason why its done poorly but its really because of the lack of software that people actually want (sorry Pikmin,W101, and Wind Waker HD)